Devilcat Posted November 19, 2019 Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 Hi, My first post so apologies for any mistakes in forum etiquette. I would appreciate some advice please on choice of a 12 bore. I’m an inexperienced member of a syndicate on a walked up ( I think that’s the correct terminology?) pheasant shoot. I currently use a 20 bore Silver Pigeon with varying degrees of success. I’m constantly being told to get a 12 bore by the other members. Assuming I follow their advice, what should I consider? I intend to spend up to £3k. I have no bias towards any make or design features as I don’t yet know enough to know what difference these make. I’m embarrassed to admit that what the gun looks like is currently most important. With this in mind, I like the look of the Silver Pigeon V, Rizzini round body models and the Chapuis C35. I’ve asked the other syndicate members and have received as many suggestions as there are members. I would be grateful for any advice from the forum, I realise this is a question you must get asked all the time and if so, perhaps you could point me towards the appropriate thread. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted November 19, 2019 Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 Find the one that fits, handle and shoot as many as you can, it won't matter whether you spend £300 or £3000 if it doesn't fit you'll always struggle to get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjaferret Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Caesar guerini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 I would not bother changing get your 20 fitted ,if not already and persevere with it ,what make you think you will be better with a 12 bore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 I always liked the Browning, though the Ruger Red Label was the sexiest shotgun ever made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 I would be patient and get some lessons on clays from a coach. The coach will advise whether you are sufficiently 'consistent' in your gun mounting and shooting style to get a gun fitted. It is essential to develop and practice a consistent mount. Once that is in place - you can move forward from there. Consistency is easier to achieve on clays first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 hours ago, sam triple said: I would not bother changing get your 20 fitted ,if not already and persevere with it ,what make you think you will be better with a 12 bore Exactly.... why not buy a 10 bore therefore? The 20 is perfect for a mixed walked up shoot, so go spend the money you would waste on another shotgun on having a few lessons and check the gun you have fits. If your new to the game you do not become world champion over night. As said above plus go out nd shoot some sporting clays, not silly difficult ones, some which will build your confidence. AND have fun doing it. I shoot 410 almost exclusively, occasionally a 16 gauge and hold my own against the general run of the mill 36gram brigade at every day birds. It is down to where you put that pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Listen to Walker570!!! He and the others telling you the same know what they are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prem1234 Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 So as pointed out above the key thing is gun fit, a 20 bore is an ideal walk up gun and silver pigeon are great guns (I and a lot of my friends shoot them).....Generally as a 'new' shooter you'll be shooting at the target and not giving the bird the correct lead. Go shoot some sporting clays ideally with an instructor over your shoulder and I'm sure it will make a positive difference to your hit ratio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said: I always liked the Browning, though the Ruger Red Label was the sexiest shotgun ever made. Another vote for the ruger, you do not see them over here just not popular, Handling wise and looks they are excellent. They are not Brownings or mirokus but they are a cut above most of the other popular guns we see over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 As has already been said, do you really need a 12 for walked up? If you decide that you really do and it's an itch that must be scratched,. The Chapuis is a gun designed for that purpose. I shoot pigeon from a hide so I don't need a canon and my C35 at 6 lb 9 oz is ideal and as light as many 20s if you are walking. The little or no cost options when buying new mean that you can get a gun that fits from the off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shalfordninja33 Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 I've gone the other way this year, retired my 12 and got a 20,. The 12 is still in the cabinet but it wont be coming out of it any time soon. I had the 20 fitted to me, spent some time shooting a few differents brand of cartridge through it over the summer to find something it and I like. 26gm RC JK6 or Sipe in no7 works really well through 1/4 and 1/2 choke. So far i've used it on 3 driven days and shot aorund the 3 to 1 mark. I couldn't be happier at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 There is nothing wrong with a twenty bore for walked up days it the people that’s wrong just because it’s not a twelve bore you can’t hit anything I have some lads like that on a syndicate I shot in but none of them like to be back gun to me. Stick with your twenty I use Lincoln guns there action is small not like some of the twenty’s that are made on twelve bore action with twenty bore barrels put on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) hello, why bother if your doing ok with the 20, but then a nice Browning 525 light weight in 12g would be a very suitable for walked up game shooting and much less than £3000 Edited November 20, 2019 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 10 hours ago, Devilcat said: Hi, My first post so apologies for any mistakes in forum etiquette. I would appreciate some advice please on choice of a 12 bore. I’m an inexperienced member of a syndicate on a walked up ( I think that’s the correct terminology?) pheasant shoot. I currently use a 20 bore Silver Pigeon with varying degrees of success. I’m constantly being told to get a 12 bore by the other members. Assuming I follow their advice, what should I consider? I intend to spend up to £3k. I have no bias towards any make or design features as I don’t yet know enough to know what difference these make. I’m embarrassed to admit that what the gun looks like is currently most important. With this in mind, I like the look of the Silver Pigeon V, Rizzini round body models and the Chapuis C35. I’ve asked the other syndicate members and have received as many suggestions as there are members. I would be grateful for any advice from the forum, I realise this is a question you must get asked all the time and if so, perhaps you could point me towards the appropriate thread. Thank you 4 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said: I always liked the Browning, though the Ruger Red Label was the sexiest shotgun ever made. Not seen many guns then ? Do the right thing . Buy a side by side . The best gun for game and stand up for a great tradition . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Don’t Baikal make Ruger shotguns? as for the OP’s question there’s is nothing wrong with a 20 bore it’ll do just as well as a 12 for game shooting. I often use my 20 bore for game and pigeons and 30G Eley VIPs work just fine. As suggested I would get some lessons in before taking the plunge and ploughing 3 grand on a new gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, Wingman said: Don’t Baikal make Ruger shotguns? as for the OP’s question there’s is nothing wrong with a 20 bore it’ll do just as well as a 12 for game shooting. I often use my 20 bore for game and pigeons and 30G Eley VIPs work just fine. As suggested I would get some lessons in before taking the plunge and ploughing 3 grand on a new gun. No, baikal made the spartan line of Remington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 And if it's to be a side by side why not a classic 20g one? There is a lovely Francotte for sale in the private guns for sale. Weighs in at 5 3/4 pounds only. Carry it all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilcat Posted November 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Thank you all for your advice. It’s as I thought, doesn’t matter what you shoot with; still needs to be pointed in the right direction. I’ll definitely be getting some lessons......then I’ll be back on here asking what’s the best looking 20 bore! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said: I always liked the Browning, though the Ruger Red Label was the sexiest shotgun ever made. Sorry but that’s not a good looking gun although maybe in America it is . a far better looking and lighter game gun Edited November 20, 2019 by Old farrier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Sorry but that’s not a good looking gun although maybe in America it is . a far better looking and lighter game gun And even that has the barrels the wrong way round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 i know but if he’s getting stick for shooting a 20 bore they’ll probably give him more for a proper gun 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Go shoot some Down the line clays and going away sporting targets with your 20bore. Get some lessons off a good coach. Your 20 bore is a great walked up over and under. I prefer a nice SXS for game, especially walked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Penelope said: And even that has the barrels the wrong way round. Not to mention that somewhere along the line it's lost a trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, wymberley said: Not to mention that somewhere along the line it's lost a trigger. Which is useful if you’re finger deficient or got gloves on either way it’s a comparison with the what I believe to be ugly ruger and similar in construction to the op present gun although it’s out of his price range here’s another although possibly a tag to gaudy Edited November 20, 2019 by Old farrier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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