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The Fishmongers Hall ,where the conference for ex-offender's management ,is one of London's prestigious venues-I remember it being featured on BBC's Masterchef.

The sub human scum offender, must have felt he was 'in the belly of the beast' and on a road to his martedom.

Strapping on a mock suicide vest was his way of sealing a one way trip at the hands of armed officers.

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7 minutes ago, ordnance said:

 No problem. The armed response here receive the same training  as armed response in the rest of the UK it is a UK force. 

Surprisingly each force can train what ever they want. There is best practice but each force are free to do what they want. The Chief Constable carries the can if it goes wrong and they havent followed best practice. Most forces comply but a few do stray.

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Teacup is quite right, it's t zone for ied' s on the person. That's what's taught and has been for a while. Good luck achieving it and I suspect if your the chap pulling the trigger you probably think you haven't got long left. Unless of course you can achieve a 704 yard have head shot from a moving landy or whatever it was.  

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13 hours ago, ordnance said:

I am sure they receive support from the police federation etc. But its right that they have to justify their actions, i doubt they will have any issues in this case. 

There is no support when you are standing infront of the Coroner ...... just a bit different from magistrates or Judge ... ben there as Coroners Officer.

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1 hour ago, Walker570 said:

There is no support when you are standing infront of the Coroner ...... just a bit different from magistrates or Judge ... ben there as Coroners Officer.

True but the police have to account for their actions especially if a death is involved, as it should be. I am sure recruits are made well aware of that during training, that would be the time to change career choices if its a issue.   

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23 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

A key question to me is how he was allowed in to an event involving known offenders with a (some reports say two) large knives?

The so called experts who allow this cringing ineptitude to happen should be under a very public spotlight to explain?

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2 hours ago, London Best said:

If they had hanged the perpetrator for terrorism the first time he did it this event would not have happened.

And for drug dealing, we could have a referendum about hanging but it will never happen as they know what the answer will be. 

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4 hours ago, bottletopbill said:

Get a jury to watch all videos of the shooting then decide if it is lawful to a judge and not put a officer in front of others unless proven guilty

The police should not be given preferential treatment over any other citizen, the officers account of the incident would be important to a jury's decision if it came to that. 

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1 hour ago, 100milesaway said:

Same folks that were paying before.fromAuntie. 

 

Yup. But now they get compensation from the  government or some wonky insurance based in a foreign land. Either way he is now a martyr to at least 89 other unwashed mugs. But you and me will pay for it.

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5 hours ago, London Best said:

If they had hanged the perpetrator for terrorism the first time he did it this event would not have happened.

Perhaps if they hung the murderer, as some PW members want for all murderers rather than rehabilitation, that brought this person to the ground then the situation may have been very different and more people may have lost their lives.

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On 29/11/2019 at 17:23, Pistol p said:

Confirmed dead. Fake bomb. Nice. who will pay to look after his 4 wives and 22 kids now?

 

2 hours ago, 100milesaway said:

Same folks that were paying before.fromAuntie. 

 

 

57 minutes ago, Pistol p said:

Yup. But now they get compensation from the  government or some wonky insurance based in a foreign land. Either way he is now a martyr to at least 89 other unwashed mugs. But you and me will pay for it.

So where do you get all these details from? 4 wives and 22 kids, then 89... Can't find anything to corroborate your assertions? Governments, insurance??

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Rather than letting these scumbag out early, allegedly, because they might get depressed and play up in the nick, because they have nothing to lose.......they should give them a choice...serve the full sentence handed down or swallow this cyanide pill!....the latter is the preferred option, as it has less of a negative impact on public finances!

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10 minutes ago, panoma1 said:

Rather than letting these scumbag out early, allegedly, because they might get depressed and play up in the nick, because they have nothing to lose.......they should give them a choice...serve the full sentence handed down or swallow this cyanide pill!....the latter is the preferred option, as it has less of a negative impact on public finances!

And if the murderer who tackled him had taken the pill instead, how would that have turned out?

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I don't have a problem with this if the public are under threat ,,,take the threat out ,,,,    and thank the police for keeping us safe and shake their hand as its  a thankless job anyway (sadly)  given what they have to deal with every day    (forget politics'  bs for the moment its all about votes )

the public needs to step up more to confront scrotes  chavs  unsociable types  thieving lowlifes  before they get out of control as our parents and grandparents did       (as seen this weekend  top blokes saved lives got involved and pinned him down )   so help the police rather than walk past with their heads down and whinge behind closed doors leaving it up to the police / council to sort it out        stand up and  get a spine  questioning what they are doing in your area  confront these individuals   every time you see them     pier pressure sorts things out    if not  the police   should be a last resort  as already overstretched 

 

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Hopefully if nothing else comes from this terrible event, the review of release under licence for terrorist offences might help.

 

Of course we desperately need a judiciary that have experienced real life, understand the ordinary man and are prepared to use the full range of sentencing available to them rather than following the liberal rights of the perpetrators and ignoring the actual rights of the victims.

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