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Next generation of biodegradable plastic wads

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18 minutes ago, 243deer said:

The league against cruelty to cacti will have something to say about that

Anyway hasn't eley already done this? https://www.eleyhawkltd.com/media-events/press-releases/eley-hawk-launches-the-first-disolvable-and-biodegradeable-wad-

The ones eley and others  are using are not the total solution, they have to seal the cartridges by welding the petals closed as the wads are very hygroscopic. Manufacturing the wads is slow so they are expensive and welding the petals together slows the loading machine down considerably again increasing costs. All far from ideal.

 

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38 minutes ago, London Best said:

They won’t be able to weld petals together when they have to stop making plastic cases and go back to using paper.

Just a question, no offense but why?

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13 minutes ago, London Best said:

Because you cannot weld paper surely? Welding is literally melting things together.

Sorry read it as plastic wads in paper cartridge's, that's what confused me.

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2 minutes ago, London Best said:

I thought we were referring to petals on crimps???  Dunno.

And I thought we were talking about the petals on wads! Anyway I am lost.

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13 minutes ago, London Best said:

I thought we were referring to petals on crimps???  Dunno.

I was, we are don’t know what else to call them.  They, eley, weld them together so as to leave no hole or opportunity for water ingress.

 

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14 minutes ago, London Best said:

That’s what I thought you meant. 
I remember Eley starting to do that, in about 1969 I think? They labelled them ‘Eley Waterproof’ at first.

Now I see the light, thank you. Just misread it.😴

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A question for anybody who has seen these desolvable wads from eley hawk, Do you think the material ised in their construction, could be used as a replacement for the plastic tubes in cases?  Is it tough enough.

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lancer 425 ,

 There is already a very good case material .

It is called paper cases . Readily available from most cartridge manufacturers .😄

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31 minutes ago, Salopian said:

lancer 425 ,

 There is already a very good case material .

It is called paper cases . Readily available from most cartridge manufacturers .😄

Yes but it swells easy and for steel shot wads not sure it is ideal, i have never loaded a bucket wad in a paper case not sure .  Bio degradable might be a bit more resilient to damp, but again will it degrade and end up with a pocket full of mush shot and powder. Could be right, but can you load bucket wads in paper cases, i have been loading for years but have no idea.

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On 22/12/2019 at 12:55, Salopian said:

lancer 425 ,

 There is already a very good case material .

It is called paper cases . Readily available from most cartridge manufacturers .😄

+1! An I found a really good bio degradable wad its called fibre

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Lancer ,

 Of course you can load bucket /plastic cup wads into paper cases .

No they do not swell if cared for correctly as all that I have used have a waterproof varnish coating . 

Finally , Lead , Tungsten , Bismuth is for pellets . Steel is for barrels .

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1 hour ago, DUNKS said:

Surely to produce paper you have to cut down valuable trees!

Think most of the trees for building, fuel and paper making are “sustainable” fast growing softwoods, they cut down 100 trees and plant 100 trees, supposed to-be carbon neutral, well that’s the theory anyway.

Also there is recycled paper/card.

merry Xmas :santa:

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I’ve been playing around with these and they are SUPERB!

The Eley vip bio wads dissolve in 24hrs in water ( normal fibre was and gamebore super steel cup still very intact after 72 hrs)

in 32gr no5 steel and ½ beretta choke they knock over good pheasants and serious Partridge ( I’m trying to get 3 for high pheasant)

The was material wouldn’t be strong enough for casing... maybe someone will develop ho steel proof paper cases.

Very impressed so far, if only shops would stock them...

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2 minutes ago, PPP said:

I’ve been playing around with these and they are SUPERB!

The Eley vip bio wads dissolve in 24hrs in water ( normal fibre was and gamebore super steel cup still very intact after 72 hrs)

in 32gr no5 steel and ½ beretta choke they knock over good pheasants and serious Partridge ( I’m trying to get 3 for high pheasant)

The was material wouldn’t be strong enough for casing... maybe someone will develop ho steel proof paper cases.

Very impressed so far, if only shops would stock them...

The standard wads will still be intact in 20 years in water! 
The bio wads are good and I chucked one outside on the gravel a week ago and it’s a slimy mess now. Recon another week with rain and will be almost gone.

I got mine in 3’s and paid a lot, £10 box which is a lot for steel and is top end lead game load price.

 

 

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1 minute ago, dodeer said:

The standard wads will still be intact in 20 years in water! 
The bio wads are good and I chucked one outside on the gravel a week ago and it’s a slimy mess now. Recon another week with rain and will be almost gone.

I got mine in 3’s and paid a lot, £10 box which is a lot for steel and is top end lead game load price.

 

 

Ouch, 7.50 box here for 5’s ... cheaper than usual game carts so if I can find the 3 at that price I’ll be happy to switch ( once I’ve used up the lead which will see me through 2020) still 32g so should be same price?..

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