Lloyd90 Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 Does anyone know a continental size clay cart that is actually a 28g UK size 7 please?Β Β I would like to give some a try on game ππ» Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 Lloyd, why do you not just use a 28 gram UK size 7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, London Best said: Lloyd, why do you not just use a 28 gram UK size 7? Thatβs what Iβm asking for.Β Although the ones labelled as βgameβ 28g size 7βs seem to be significantly more expensive than say a βclayβ 28g 7.5 (which may just be a UK 7) if you get me.Β Β Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 To be honest, I very rarely look at the price of cartridges. The cost of cartridges is such a tiny part of the cost of shooting game that it makes little % difference overall. Cheap βclayβ ammo at, what, Β£180/1000, or βbetter qualityβ so called βgameβ ammo at perhaps Β£280/100?Β If you use 1000/season it only costs Β£2 /week difference over a year. Not a lot compared to the cost of perhaps ten days shooting firing 100 cartridges/day. If you buy the cheapies I am fairly sure you will notice no/very little difference to the dear ones. They all seem to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 minute ago, London Best said: To be honest, I very rarely look at the price of cartridges. The cost of cartridges is such a tiny part of the cost of shooting game that it makes little % difference overall. Cheap βclayβ ammo at, what, Β£180/1000, or βbetter qualityβ so called βgameβ ammo at perhaps Β£280/100?Β If you use 1000/season it only costs Β£2 /week difference over a year. Not a lot compared to the cost of perhaps ten days shooting firing 100 cartridges/day. If you buy the cheapies I am fairly sure you will notice no/very little difference to the dear ones. They all seem to work. Thatβs what Iβm thinking.Β Β Much like, what is the difference between 30g 6βs in a pigeon cartridge VS 30g 6βs in a gameΒ cartridge?Β Β I shot shot some very good pheasants this season using 30g 6 pigeon cartridges and missed some easy birds with expansive game cartridges.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 Of course you did........because there is no difference, itβs all kidology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, London Best said: Of course you did........because there is no difference, itβs all kidology. ππ»ππ»Β Β Now then, do we know any 28g 7.5 that are actually UK size 7 that would be worth a go on game? ππ»ππ» Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 Dunno, but my son in law came out today for his fist ever live shooting day, having shot clays (very) occasionally for about three years. He asked me last week what cartridges he should buy. I asked if he had any at all. He replied, βyes, but they are clay cartridges, 7.5βsβ. I told him if they went bang they would do. He shot nine birds, pheasant/partridges, for an average of less than 3:1. Not a bad performance for a beginner. I rest my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 33 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: ππ»ππ»Β Β Now then, do we know any 28g 7.5 that are actually UK size 7 that would be worth a go on game? ππ»ππ» Yes . NsiΒ ,Β boraganhi Β , rcΒ All Italian. Β No 7.5 Β are 2.4 mm not 2.3 mm (as english 7.5 are ) Β and as such the 2.4s are equivalent Β to a english no 7 .i really like them Β . But I think if i could choose a pellwt size for all my shooting it would be 2.5 mm or english 6.5 .Β A Β great balance of size / retained energy Β and pellet count Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPhantom Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 I shoot Clever Mirage T1βs on clays. Another Italian cartridge 2.4mm 7.5, so an English 7. Have yet to try them on pigeons / game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 Jocker 28g 7.5 are a UK 7 I think and even if they are not they work very well on pigeons. My localish clay ground had them at 40 a slab. Last time I went they were size 8 so UK 7.5 . worth looking at.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: Does anyone know a continental size clay cart that is actually a 28g UK size 7 please?Β Β I would like to give some a try on game ππ» To be sure what size you are getting its your best option to buy 28gram ammo and count pellets. 2.4mm which is uk 7s will be 340 pellets. where as 7 1/2 s at 2.3mm will beΒ 400. Measuring is best bet but the count and having 437.5 grains to the oz you can weigh pellets get the size from that. Β RC are about 7s in their 7.5 and the Joker L A S were 7s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 8 hours ago, Ultrastu said: Yes . NsiΒ ,Β boraganhi Β , rcΒ All Italian. Β No 7.5 Β are 2.4 mm not 2.3 mm (as english 7.5 are ) Β and as such the 2.4s are equivalent Β to a english no 7 .i really like them Β . But I think if i could choose a pellwt size for all my shooting it would be 2.5 mm or english 6.5 .Β A Β great balance of size / retained energy Β and pellet count Β Thank you ππ» RC 28g 7βs are Β£191 per 1000.Β Β Gamebore 28g 7βs forΒ gameβ are Β£277 per 1000.Β Β Do you think thereβs much difference? Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 Only way youβre going to find out is to try someΒ whatβs best for one gun sometimes isnβt the best in anotherβs ππ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 hello, PW member Cranfield on here put up a shot size comparison chart August 2010 Hallowellco.com try a search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 fiocchi tt2 28gram f/w listed at 71/2 but actually 2.4mm ie no7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daisyrob1 Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 Fiocchi tt1 about Β£55 a slab and if it matters to you 3% antimonyπ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 11 hours ago, Ultrastu said: Yes . NsiΒ ,Β boraganhi Β , rcΒ All Italian. Β No 7.5 Β are 2.4 mm not 2.3 mm (as english 7.5 are ) Β and as such the 2.4s are equivalent Β to a english no 7 .i really like them Β . But I think if i could choose a pellwt size for all my shooting it would be 2.5 mm or english 6.5 .Β A Β great balance of size / retained energy Β and pellet count Β Age has forced a downsize and I'm now hide-bound. With the exception of something from Hull that I got from a PW member for the corvids, it's now just 28g of 7s for the pigeon. But, yep, previously as quoted. For all general purposes, unbeatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 To be honest, there isn't much difference between a 2.3mm or 2.4mm. Both are easily good enough for a 40 yard pheasant in ounce loadings. I use a fair few Fiocchi TT one, amongst others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Dave Carrie did a Gamebore Blue Diamond test on 8 v 7.5 diamond shot (euro sized) fibre (for clays) but if you want to see a UK cartridge perform in a UK 7, this is a good example as it is done at 40 yards and pellets are flattening against plate. Β Β I used to use White Gold 7.5 with Gordon recoil system (then the XLR) , then moved to Blue Diamond or Black Gold for game in 12b depending on what is available, put through improved and quarter will drop any pheasant within 40 yards. Edited January 5, 2020 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daisyrob1 Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 Norgas have the 7.5 as 2.3mm on the slab I've got 2.4mm! Rumour as it their actually a seven and a quarterπanybody fancy counting one?Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 Does anybody REALLY think it makes a **** of difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 Well the difference between 2.4 and 2.3 mmΒ does make a significant difference to pellet count . Per ounce 2.6 mm -290 Β Β Β Β 2.4 mm - 340 Β Β Β 2.3 mm - 400 2.2 mm - 480Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 So a 5 % difference in pellet diameter and 12 % difference in weight equals a 18 % difference in pellet count.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 And I donβt think either the firer or the recipient can tell the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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