panoma1 Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 Iran has finally admitted it intentionally shot down, what turned out to be a civilian aircraft, killing 176 innocent people with a ground to air missile...claiming to was a mistake!........Can anyone have any doubt why the USA and the western world oppose Iran developing nuclear weapons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 Fair point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 58 minutes ago, panoma1 said: Can anyone have any doubt why the USA and the western world oppose Iran developing nuclear weapons? If you mean they shouldn't have nukes because they accidentally shot down that plane you'd better tell USA to hand theirs in too. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/10/middleeast/iran-air-flight-655-us-military-intl-hnk/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, panoma1 said: Iran has finally admitted it intentionally shot down, what turned out to be a civilian aircraft, killing 176 innocent people with a ground to air missile...claiming to was a mistake!........Can anyone have any doubt why the USA and the western world oppose Iran developing nuclear weapons? They could always apologise after and say it was a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spurs 14 Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 I really struggle with anybody who thinks that these terrorists in charge of these country’s like Iran can be defended ? Why anyone thinks it was wrong of the USA to kill a known terrorist responsible for innocent deaths , it shows in their response oh we will have revenge ! Nuclear weapons !!! These people shouldn’t have access to pea shooters ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, 39TDS said: If you mean they shouldn't have nukes because they accidentally shot down that plane you'd better tell USA to hand theirs in too. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/10/middleeast/iran-air-flight-655-us-military-intl-hnk/index.html The USA has had nuclear weapons for donkeys years, and have never used em! Would you trust the Iranian revolutionary guard not too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) They accidentally shot down a passenger plane, because in the eighties America accidentally shot down an Iranian passenger plane. Edited January 11, 2020 by figgy Predictive text Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, panoma1 said: The USA has had nuclear weapons for donkeys years, and have never used em! Would you trust the Iranian revolutionary guard not too? Eh? Hiroshima? Nagasaki? 🤔 Many many civilian passenger aircraft have been accidentally shot down over the years. Unfortunately it happens in times of conflict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Scully said: Eh? Hiroshima? Nagasaki? 🤔 Many many civilian passenger aircraft have been accidentally shot down over the years. Unfortunately it happens in times of conflict. I would have to brush up on it but if I remember correctly the US ship was actively in quarters as they had taken fire in international water by Iranian fast attack boats. The ship called to the flight 665 and they refused to answer as the log showed that they had received the message. The American ship fired at the last moment. Edited January 11, 2020 by NoBodyImportant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 2 hours ago, spurs 14 said: I really struggle with anybody who thinks that these terrorists in charge of these country’s like Iran can be defended ? Why anyone thinks it was wrong of the USA to kill a known terrorist responsible for innocent deaths , it shows in their response oh we will have revenge ! Nuclear weapons !!! These people shouldn’t have access to pea shooters ! Man the Democrats here said that Trump made up the rocket attack on the Oil tanker a while back, then they said he made up the seizure of the British Oil tanker, then they are saying the US shot down the plane to frame Iranians. They saying that Trump is hurting the poor because the job market is so tight that fast food places are paying 14-18 USD an hour and that’s caused people to be kicked off food stamps. The point his when you hate Trump all logic is lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 20 minutes ago, Scully said: Eh? Hiroshima? Nagasaki? 🤔 Many many civilian passenger aircraft have been accidentally shot down over the years. Unfortunately it happens in times of conflict. 25 minutes ago, Scully said: Eh? Hiroshima? Nagasaki? 🤔 Many many civilian passenger aircraft have been accidentally shot down over the years. Unfortunately it happens in times of conflict. Japanese is different. They weren’t like Germans. They were crazy. If you look at the death toll of Iwo Jima and Okinawa then dropping those two bombs saved Japanese and American lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 they want to thank themselves lucky...............if JDog had been there it would have been "a left and right" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Scully said: Eh? Hiroshima? Nagasaki? 🤔 Many many civilian passenger aircraft have been accidentally shot down over the years. Unfortunately it happens in times of conflict. Oh yea! I forgot them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 3 hours ago, panoma1 said: The USA has had nuclear weapons for donkeys years, and have never used em! Would you trust the Iranian revolutionary guard not too? I'm pretty sure they've used them twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 Sadly, it gives an all new meaning to a N D. With the number of built in safeguards the discharge could not have been negligent, but deliberate. The negligent bit was the decision to fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 According to an expert interviewed in the press there are transponders in the airliners that display the height, flight path, and other data and the missile battery should pick that up as there were several civi aircraft in the area at that time, but they have to be actively looking for the transponder not just picking up a radar target and pressing fire. With all that was going on it could have been easily missed and a tragedy has happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 25 minutes ago, Mr_Nobody said: I'm pretty sure they've used them twice. I’m pretty sure your right! ...........so I’m told! Lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 33 minutes ago, henry d said: According to an expert interviewed in the press there are transponders in the airliners that display the height, flight path, and other data and the missile battery should pick that up as there were several civi aircraft in the area at that time, but they have to be actively looking for the transponder not just picking up a radar target and pressing fire. With all that was going on it could have been easily missed and a tragedy has happened. Indeed, even the most basic transponders have a four digit code which is assigned by air traffic control and an encoding altimeter which transmits the aircraft altitude. I don't know the details on the missile system but would assume targets are identified and tracked automatically and a threat level derived at based on certain parameters, I'm not sure how an object ascending would be assessed as an imminent threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 Apparently the codes and flight plans should be shared with the units based near the airport allowing the operators to correlate each object on the radar with a flight plan and code. However the flight time of the missile for a 3 mile distant target is around 5 seconds and they have no method of diverting or detonation if they spot an error! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 I only just saw this thread, so I'll just say poor comms and nervous firing battery crews again for good measure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Zapp said: I only just saw this thread, so I'll just say poor comms and nervous firing battery crews again for good measure. OR a deliberate action because many of those on board spoke with American accents ..or close to...but happened to be Canadians. The Iranian hieracy wouldn't blink at a few others being killed in the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol p Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 It all comes down to div’s being in control of explosives. Luckily in the UK we are reminded every November how to deal with such issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, Walker570 said: OR a deliberate action because many of those on board spoke with American accents ..or close to...but happened to be Canadians. The Iranian hieracy wouldn't blink at a few others being killed in the process. I doubt that its just bad for them in every way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmaxphil Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 I wonder if as illiterate Iranian mistook Ukraine for United states Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 Why was the plane allowed to fly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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