London Best Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 They will work just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) I guess for every shooter that wants the cheapest and best bargain .there is one who must have the best most expensive cart . If a manufacturer can make a load of carts basically the same (cheaper for them that way ) and just change a few small things like colour of the case and printing on the box they can charge different amounts and achieve sales from both groups of shooters , why alienate one side when you can get sales from both . Edited January 20, 2020 by Ultrastu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 19 hours ago, Ultrastu said: I guess for every shooter that wants the cheapest and best bargain .there is one who must have the best most expensive cart . If a manufacturer can make a load of carts basically the same (cheaper for them that way ) and just change a few small things like colour of the case and printing on the box they can charge different amounts and achieve sales from both groups of shooters , why alienate one side when you can get sales from both . I do hope so as that will keep the price down on some that we use. 19 hours ago, mgsontour said: Hi all, me again and thank you very much for all your comments and suggestions. I ended up with these as an all rounder at £66 a slab https://www.eleyhawkltd.com/products/game-cartridges/pigeon-high-velocity I was tempted with the Zenith ( but TIGHTCHOKE words above "Be very careful believing what manufacturers put on their boxes" ) rattled around by head when the price was announced at £94 Again thank you and hope you have all had a good season!! Well that's about £16 more than I like to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 When I pull the trigger and a bird falls out the sky dead, the cheaper the cart that happened with the bigger the smile on my face. Shows me that cheap carts kill well and do as they should. If your paying thousands for a days shooting a few quid more on the so called best carts is neither here nor there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Thats true . But i shoot loads of pigeons on the wing at 30 yds with only 16 grm of no6 . So given that , do we need 32 grm to bring a pigeon down .? yes it will probably extend your range to 45 yds but what about 28 grm -42 yds ? That 3 yds really isnt much and if it comes at a price and extra recoil noise etc .is it worth it ? Not to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spurs 14 Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 I guess in the simplest terms is if you’re shooting within your range capabilities, as in judging it, and within the range of your cartridge , you put the shot in the right spot they will drop regardless of which one you bought I know many shooters who will buy the cheapest cartridges available at the time , clays or pigeons couple I know just use 28/7s for everything some are brand loyal and use only one or two carts for clay /game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Ultrastu said: Thats true . But i shoot loads of pigeons on the wing at 30 yds with only 16 grm of no6 . So given that , do we need 32 grm to bring a pigeon down .? yes it will probably extend your range to 45 yds but what about 28 grm -42 yds ? That 3 yds really isnt much and if it comes at a price and extra recoil noise etc .is it worth it ? Not to me You could try 9g of 8s for your 30 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 17 hours ago, wymberley said: You could try 9g of 8s for your 30 yards. I would. In fact I do. It makes more sense to use small shot at closer ranges with light loads. There are a lot of pellets in a half ounce of 9s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, motty said: I would. In fact I do. It makes more sense to use small shot at closer ranges with light loads. There are a lot of pellets in a half ounce of 9s. Once shot 78 corvids with a half ounce of 9’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, London Best said: Once shot 78 corvids with a half ounce of 9’s. WOW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 14 minutes ago, London Best said: Once shot 78 corvids with a half ounce of 9’s. That's some going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: WOW! Not all with one shot! 3 minutes ago, oowee said: That's some going. Thousands of the coming to cattle feed in a farm yard, first light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 22 hours ago, oowee said: That's some going. 2.8 Grain loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, lancer425 said: 2.8 Grain loads. ?? Do you mean each pellet weighs 2.8 grains? Whatever, they work just fine. Edited January 23, 2020 by London Best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 41 minutes ago, London Best said: ?? Do you mean each pellet weighs 2.8 grains? Whatever, they work just fine. Phew! I'd like to see a Lincolnshire No 6 in that case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, London Best said: ?? Do you mean each pellet weighs 2.8 grains? Whatever, they work just fine. 437.5 grains .....1 oz divided by 2 ........1/2 oz ....divided by 78 crows ...2.8grain. Edited January 23, 2020 by lancer425 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 Thanks Lancer, I was really scratching my head with that. No. 9 shot weighs .75 grain per pellet, so on average I must have put 4 pellets in each crow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, London Best said: Thanks Lancer, I was really scratching my head with that. No. 9 shot weighs .75 grain per pellet, so on average I must have put 4 pellets in each crow! Funny things shotguns: 580 x .5 = 290 78 x 4 = 312 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 8 hours ago, London Best said: Thanks Lancer, I was really scratching my head with that. No. 9 shot weighs .75 grain per pellet, so on average I must have put 4 pellets in each crow! Just me being an A**E . I was waiting to go to the dentist, was just bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 On 19/01/2020 at 14:35, Farmboy91 said: Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't take an Oz of 6's if I was going foxing, but they cover most eventualities. It's ridiculous now, but as they say, a fool and he's money are easily parted, while people will buy into the cartridge companies marketing, they'll keep pushing those ridiculous loads and fancy packaging. Agreed, although I have killed a number of foxes with that load. On 19/01/2020 at 14:35, London Best said: I have killed several geese over the years with an oz of no.6, when that is what happened to be in the barrel when a goose appeared. I am not saying it would be my first choice for geese, but it will always work with a headshot. Same goes for foxes. Likewise, both, Canadas and Greylags when it was legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 57 minutes ago, Penelope said: Agreed, although I have killed a number of foxes with that load. Yeah dont get me wrong I know the load is capable but I'd I prefer the extra pellets in that 1 1/8 load. Under 20 yards or so I wouldn't worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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