sam triple Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 Hi thinking of selling one of my guns privately, but not sure on how to RFD to RFD ,or best way to be paid for it any advice appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 You are meant to get the individual buyer to send you his SGC and then the gun is entered on to it. You take gun and SGC to your RFD. He packs and sends it and charges you for his services and the RFD at the other end charges the buyer to collect the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moongeese Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 You take the gun to your RFD he signs the gun onto his register , and off your cert, you tell the RFD who to send the gun to (another RFD) and label your gun with the persons details so the RFD that receives it, so he knows who will arrive to have the gun signed onto their cert. There is normally a charge of about £25 for this, I did this recently selling a gun on this forum, and very straightforward. I thought all transactions should be face to face, and I would not send my cert to anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted February 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 Thanks ; And how to receive payment PayPal .? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, sam triple said: Thanks ; And how to receive payment PayPal .? I use a simple bank transfer, either before they go to the RFD or in one case when they were in the Gunshop and the RFD confirmed it looked okay to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moongeese Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 46 minutes ago, sam triple said: Thanks ; And how to receive payment PayPal .? It was a member of this forum, and he paid me by paypal, the whole transaction only took about 3 days, and was no hassle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 As I understand it, you personally as the seller have to enter the gun on the buyers cert, so the buyer would need to send their cert to you or possibly the RFD you are using to send the gun. Then pop the cert in with the gun to go the buyers RFD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: As I understand it, you personally as the seller have to enter the gun on the buyers cert, so the buyer would need to send their cert to you or possibly the RFD you are using to send the gun. Then pop the cert in with the gun to go the buyers RFD. That Is the correct way as I said earlier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.C Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: That Is the correct way as I said earlier! As @TIGHTCHOKEsaid you, the seller not an rfd, should fill in the purchasers cert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 Yep,Tightchoke had it correct 1st time despite what anyone may tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted February 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 Thanks all 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: That Is the correct way as I said earlier! just reiterating as someone else had said that the RFDs fill out the certs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 I belive paypal will not have anything to do with things gun related . Would pay to check first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wigeon jim Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) Moongeese is right ,did exactly the same not long ago, sellers gun gets transferred onto his RFD's books so gun no longer belongs to seller, the RFD then sends it to buyers RFD who then transfers on to his books, who then transfers it on to buyers cert,. Jim. Edited February 16, 2020 by wigeon jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, wigeon jim said: Moongeese is right ,did exactly the same not long ago, sellers gun gets transferred onto his RFD's books so gun no longer belongs to seller, the RFD then sends it to buyers RFD who then transfers on to his books, who then transfers it on to buyers cert,. Jim. We have done it that way in the past 😊however it’s not necessarily the correct way TC has it right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wigeon jim Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 If the buyer sends you his cert how do you identify its authenticity as you don't know what he looks like, I certainly wouldn't send mine to anyone,. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 minute ago, wigeon jim said: If the buyer sends you his cert how do you identify its authenticity as you don't know what he looks like, I certainly wouldn't send mine to anyone,. Jim A certain degree of trust and use the sending RFD to validate things. As I said this morning, this is how you are meant to do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 Just now, wigeon jim said: If the buyer sends you his cert how do you identify its authenticity as you don't know what he looks like, I certainly wouldn't send mine to anyone,. Jim The buyers rfd should check that the person that picks up the gun is the person on the certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddoakley Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 How many times will this come up?!?!?! Seller has to complete the buyers certificate. If the RFD does that he becomes the seller and apart from the issue of the buyer actually paying him and not paying someone else, the RFD has to provide a warranty, put the value of the sale through his books thus incurring tax and VAT implications and take responsibility for the paperwork. Plenty of people stating the correct method. Buyer sends cert to seller to complete. Seller returns completed cert. Seller asks RFD to use their account to post gun to another RFD. (Paying fee) Buyer collects gun from second RFD WITH COMPLETED CERTIFICATE IN HAND. 2nd RFD verifies paperwork and hands over gun and charges their fee. PITA maybe but not massively complicated and the correct procedure. ANY OTHER WAY IS INCORRECT. Any rfd doing other than stated above is risking their license. It's been done differently for years, always wrong but always accepted. More recently the correct procedure is being enforced. Edd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 Thank you Edd, you're an RFD aren't you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wigeon jim Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 Well I stant to be corrected sir,. When I have sold guns before i can only go with what my RFD says how to do it,. But now I know the right way,. Thanks,. Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, wigeon jim said: Well I stant to be corrected sir,. When I have sold guns before i can only go with what my RFD says how to do it,. But now I know the right way,. Thanks,. Jim. The above has always been the legal way, but I’ve RFD to RFD firearms many many times, and only one dealer asked me to send them my ticket. It’s just one more example of illogical UK firearms legislation if you like. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 10 hours ago, Scully said: The above has always been the legal way, but I’ve RFD to RFD firearms many many times, and only one dealer asked me to send them my ticket. It’s just one more example of illogical UK firearms legislation if you like. 🙂 I agree with all of the above, the reason there is so much ongoing confusion is because the system is badly designed. It was clearly never envisaged to be for remote selling and relies on far too much ‘trust’. I think everyone knows the legal RFD to RFD way but still can’t believe they have to post their certificate to a stranger unseen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesP Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Funnily enough I asked this question of the young lady who came round to inspect my security arrangements. She is employed by Dorset Police Firearms Licensing team. She was absolutely adamant that your Firearms / Shotgun Certificate shouldn't be posted to anyone at all, unless it's back to the police for some reason. Fine to send a copy to demonstrate that you have got the right id etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hod Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Paypal terms state they it’s not to be used for purchasing firearms. So if you use it, it has to be friends and family (no fees for the seller incurred). There is obviously no guarantees/buyer protection and don’t write things like ‘Browning pump action shotgun’ in the notes or they may well cancel the transaction... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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