clangerman Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, B725 said: I agree with you with some of it but it's the idle and the wealthy that both milk the system, the average working man on paye just get on with life and holds his head high. that’s my point the willing to work are being prevented by slave wages and a system that stops them being better of working by lumping them in with the lazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, B725 said: the average working man on paye just get on with life and holds his head high. As he has a right to. But unless it's a virtue to be shafted, probably there's nothing to be proud about. Back in the day my late father was paying 70%+ PAYE and doing overtime until 8pm+ at night to put myself and my sister through university ( and I never thanked him enough). At the same time, my uncle who'd just sold a few acres of his land to a gravel company for a sum that at today's prices would be several million was getting a full grant for my cousins. It wasn't fair and it never will be fair and they just sell you the idea of holding your head high in order to perpetuate the scam. As my father used to say, 'PAYE is just a racket'. How many members of HMG cabinet or even the HoC or the Lords are on PAYE? I'd hazard a guess = 0. That's all you need to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Mighty Ruler said: Priti ❤️💕🥰🤪😍❤️ I would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 I remember a programme set in the fens, they interviewed some local lads outside the job centre who wouldn't work on the farms, then followed some of the E European lads making more than £100 per day [years ago] cutting caulies......7 days a week... surely thats better than the dole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 Retsdon your farther did your family proud and by working hard to provide for your needs just proves he was indeed a good man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, B725 said: Retsdon your farther did your family proud and by working hard to provide for your needs just proves he was indeed a good man. He was a hospital consultant and, once it was up and running, worked for the NHS his whole life. I remember asking him one time why he didn't do private practice - he could certainly have made more money. His reply was that private medicine was fine if you had an acute condition like appendicitis or if you needed a one-off operation like a hip replacement, but if you were chronically sick the private sector wouldn't want to know you. And that was all he said. He was one of that generation that were demobbed from the war with a determination to make the country a better place to live in and that's pretty much what he did. Yes, he was a good man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) Although the wealthy are able to milk the system they do have to spend or invest their wealth eventually so the money goes back into the treasury one way or another.. It may not go back as income tax but it goes back as fuel tax, VAT etc and their money gets spent in shops and restaurants etc keeping the economy bubbling and paying peoples wages. On the other hand, most of the Eastern Europeans I know are working cash in hand and taking their money home because it has four times the buying power back home. I can't blame them for that, if the roles were reversed I would be doing the same no question. However, we have to examine the economic impact of the two different situations. Money that stays in the country goes round and round, even if the treasury misses out on a bit of income tax here and there it soon generates more tax when its spent.. Money that goes out of the country in bundles of notes is dead money. Nobody benefits except the country it ends up in. I don't think people in this country fully realise just how much money goes back to eastern Europe. Britain is the largest single "employer" in Poland. In Romania 25% of its entire GDP comes from Britain. I don't have figures for Hungary, Lithuania, Latvia etc but I have no reason to think there is much difference. Most of it is invisible, untrackable, that is THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, stopping unskilled immigration is not just about flooding the job market with cheap labour, its about the real hidden cost to the country. A distant relative of mine is a time served carpenter, A wonderful skilled man, twenty years ago he was earning £100+ a day fitting kitchens. Today he is earning £80 a day doing the same job. The customers are not paying any less. He voted BREXIT, can you blame him? Edited February 21, 2020 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 when this country voted to join the common market factories started closing and moved abroad at the same time aaccountants told businesses they did not need to train workers as there was now an endless supply from europe the training schools and apprenticeships went coventry was a prime example the Butts College of engineering closed due to lack of demand as the companies recruted from europe. The french will not employ non french workers unless there is a shortage of french in yhat skill group If they do employ someone non french and there is a french capable and willing to do said job the company must employ said person above foreigner ALSO THIER DOLE IS FOR 2 YEARS.They also have a policy that if you retire and still work you forfit your pension This is thier way of cutting unemployment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 Reminds me that when I needed some building work done, I tried to hire local companies. Most of them didn't even bother turning up. Or turn up but didn't even get a quote back to me. Ultimately I hired a bunch of Romanian chaps, who worked 7am to 8pm, fed on pizza and ciggies, didn't complain at all about anything -- sure the work wasn't *masterclass* but at least it was done and I didn't have get calls from people calling me 'mate' who claimed they couldn't get to me because <insert whatever lie> they came up with at the time. Personally I came to this country in 99, and I'd JUST ABOUT make the idiotic 70 points to get hired here, even tho their minimum current salary is like 29k, and in 99 I was hired at £45k. "doh" as one says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 7 hours ago, Newbie to this said: I knew someone who did the same and used the same excuse. He came in the pub looking sorry for himself one evening. When asked what was wrong he explained that the people he employed for their work ethic, had stolen his contract by undercutting him and he was effectively out of work. I laughed my rear off. Apparently they had offered him a job, but at the greatly reduced wages he was paying them. LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 I worked for the then Ministry of Labour back in the early 60's. The claimants who were stringing it out a bit were told to do some Winter snow clearing work on the roads when it was needed. Refusal? No dole money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) Lots more diversity. Goody! https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/02/immigration-and-how-people-are-valued/ But hey, it's what the people voted for. Edited February 22, 2020 by Retsdon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, Retsdon said: Lots more diversity. Goody! https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/02/immigration-and-how-people-are-valued/ But hey, it's what the people voted for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 hello, this seems unfair to some and fair to many, what i would like to see is a no entry to UK of foreign criminals, and those who leave Prison sent back to their country ASAP with their passport stamped BANNED FROM UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 3 hours ago, Yellow Bear said: But hey, it's what the people voted for According to Murray, we voted for it because we re racist. 'I also find it irresistibly hilarious that the large majority of those who voted Brexit and voted Tory, who were primarily motivated by racism, will as a consequence face a substantive surge in non-white immigration. You would need a heart of stone not to laugh at that' Or maybe, just maybe.. He's wrong, but who am I to question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 Peoples definition of racist and racism vary a awful lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 44 minutes ago, Rewulf said: According to Murray, we voted for it because we re racist. 'I also find it irresistibly hilarious that the large majority of those who voted Brexit and voted Tory, who were primarily motivated by racism, will as a consequence face a substantive surge in non-white immigration. You would need a heart of stone not to laugh at that' Or maybe, just maybe.. He's wrong, but who am I to question? Sorry Rewolf not my quote, give the honour to Retsdon where it originated. Mine was the Yawn since it appears all who disagree with him are racists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Sorry Rewolf not my quote, give the honour to Retsdon where it originated. Mine was the Yawn since it appears all who disagree with him are racists Sorry dragged it from your response instead of his 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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