Sharpshooter.123 Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 So.......... on the grapevine, BASC are releasing a statement tomorrow about the use of lead shot.... thoughts??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 the last couple of Basc magazines have been telling us how steel is a good alternative for lead after saying the opposite for years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 If lead is banned, then I've got a few 1000 to offload before the ban is finalised. It will be like the Somme up on my permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Someone posted on FB that one of the regional BASC officers posted too soon, and claims BASC are promoting a "voluntary ban on lead". Honestly the organisation is so lost its beyond useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: Someone posted on FB that one of the regional BASC officers posted too soon, and claims BASC are promoting a "voluntary ban on lead". Honestly the organisation is so lost its beyond useless. If that's true they've just lost my subs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted February 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 People are saying on Facebook it’s leaked information that it’s voluntary ban, surly not one of us believes it’s a good idea? People are also saying cancel the basc membership as it’s seems they are doing nothing for us?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sharpshooter.123 said: People are saying on Facebook it’s leaked information that it’s voluntary ban, surly not one of us believes it’s a good idea? People are also saying cancel the basc membership as it’s seems they are doing nothing for us?? There needs to be a mass walkout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) We had a conversation last night on our syndicate about steel, plastic wads are banned due to the sheep. The viable alternative to lead is just not there yet. We are between a rock and a hard place. In 2/3 years I am sure there will be a solution. Any policy needs to be set with a reasonable transition period, say 5 years. Edited February 23, 2020 by WalkedUp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, WalkedUp said: We had a conversation last night on our syndicate about steel, plastic wads are banned due to the sheep. The viable alternative to lead is just not there yet. We are between a rock and a hard place. In 2/3 years I am sure there will be a solution. Any policy needs to be set with a reasonable transition period, say 5 years. What can you imagine is going to be different in 2/3 years from today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 1. Better technology for biodegradable or fibre based wads for steel 2. Reduced cost of dense metal non-lead alternatives due to volume of production Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: There needs to be a mass walkout. Based on nothing more than what is simply a rumour at present? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, wymberley said: Based on nothing more than what is simply a rumour at present? @David BASC bit of reassurance now would go a long way 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, wymberley said: Based on nothing more than what is simply a rumour at present? No, if it’s true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rabbit Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, andrewluke said: the last couple of Basc magazines have been telling us how steel is a good alternative for lead after saying the opposite for years I have also heard the rumours and this is whats annoying me. They've been defending lead then as soon as one of their main sponsors produced the Ecowad they're now suddenly pro steel. The magazine is virtually one big Eley Hawk advert. I defend BASC over a lot of the work they do but this smells very very fishy to me. Ring BASC and ask which steel loads we should use. I can guess the answer!! WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: No, if it’s true. OK, right-oh, I'll get me coat. Agh, no, sorry, forgot, walked some years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, WalkedUp said: We had a conversation last night on our syndicate about steel, plastic wads are banned due to the sheep. The viable alternative to lead is just not there yet. We are between a rock and a hard place. In 2/3 years I am sure there will be a solution. Any policy needs to be set with a reasonable transition period, say 5 years. It’s entirely up to the landowner of course, but every landowner I’ve asked says plastic wads don’t effect sheep at all. There are two farmers in our syndicate and they both, and me, bought 3000 Lyalvale Express Pigeon Power cartridges between us as they were ridiculously cheap, and have plastic wads. We have used them on syndicate days. The only objection one farmer had against plastic wads was that ‘they look messy ‘ in large quantities, as he observed on a syndicate day out to Westlands. Edited February 23, 2020 by Scully Omission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted February 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Surly they need to find a suitable replacement before banning lead completely? I’d imagine 5 years of studies ect would help? What about the same stuff that fishing leads/shot are made from? Or would it be just too expensive?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Irrespective of what there going to recommend for us to shoot in the future I personally feel this is very bad form ALL members should have been informed and or consulted before it was released if it was leaked by a member of staff they should be instantly dismissed for gross negligence If it’s true and they are proposing a voluntary ban for their members it wouldn’t affect their non members personally think the plastic is considerably more of a problem than the lead the organisation should look at the whole picture and get a proper alternative into place before they ASK THERE MEMBERS there views on a voluntary ban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 42 minutes ago, Scully said: It’s entirely up to the landowner of course, but every landowner I’ve asked says plastic wads don’t effect sheep at all. There are two farmers in our syndicate and they both, and me, bought 3000 Lyalvale Express Pigeon Power cartridges between us as they were ridiculously cheap. We have used them in syndicate days. The only objection one farmer had against plastic wads was that ‘they look messy ‘ in large quantities, as he observed on a syndicate day out to Westlands. I shoot plastic wad on all other shoots, which is why it came up for review. I proposed removing the plastic wad ban. The two farmers in the syndicate (one a sheep farmer) objected to plastic wads, and as the land owners have been sniffy I can only bow to the farmers’ expertise. Sheep spend their lives looking to find new an elaborate ways to die. From the thousands 1 demented sheep with 1 wad could cause us trouble. Anyway, back to topic : lead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Well its good by to shooting for a lot of us with classic s x s guns. I am regularly on ground where lead shot has been discharged for 1200 years (at least) I see numerous song birds, squirrels, deer, rabbits on occasion. At 79 I have been eating lead shot game all my life and still healthy and active. Where is the problem other than over wetlands? Ita another nail in shooting's coffin if you ask me. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Whatever they are up to they need to get there house in order, this has been on Facebook since Wednesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 5 years phase out of lead shot......not just BASC, but the recommendation of most of shootings representative bodies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemFandango Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Steel cartridges are available with biodegradable wads. Have been for a few years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 minute ago, ClemFandango said: Steel cartridges are available with biodegradable wads. Have been for a few years now. Not a great deal of use if you use a 2 1/2" chambered gun though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, panoma1 said: 5 years phase out of lead shot......not just BASC, but the recommendation of most of shootings representative bodies! if their idea of representing shooters is supporting the end of lead i wish they would stop representing us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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