andrewluke Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 i bet game shot with lead are safer to eat than these https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/mar/07/are-sausages-bad-for-you-processed-meat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, andrewluke said: i bet game shot with lead are safer to eat than these https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/mar/07/are-sausages-bad-for-you-processed-meat Anything as tasty as those from the schnell imbiss at the Gloucester Services Farm Shop on the M5 - honey and mustard if I remember correctly - just have to be bad for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, wymberley said: Anything as tasty as those from the schnell imbiss at the Gloucester Services Farm Shop on the M5 - honey and mustard if I remember correctly - just have to be bad for you. you know they are bad for you but worth the risk,exactly the same for game shot with lead Edited March 20, 2020 by andrewluke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 Can anyone show me an article relating to the death of someone as a result of eating lead shot game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 Well, very disappointed that I have not received any decent replies to my previous post about the effects of steelshot on grassland . Not even from Lancer . But David BASC , sorry that I elevated Peter Glenser to the position of CEO instead of his correct title of former Chair . Thankfully unlike previous BASC CEO's Peter is not anti-lead , devious or inefficient . May I remind everyone that BASC stated that they would support the use of Lead shot until such time as an efficient , economic alternative was readily available . At present that is most certainly NOT the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Salopian said: Well, very disappointed that I have not received any decent replies to my previous post about the effects of steelshot on grassland . Not even from Lancer . But David BASC , sorry that I elevated Peter Glenser to the position of CEO instead of his correct title of former Chair . Thankfully unlike previous BASC CEO's Peter is not anti-lead , devious or inefficient . May I remind everyone that BASC stated that they would support the use of Lead shot until such time as an efficient , economic alternative was readily available . At present that is most certainly NOT the case. Not to mention the fact that the Government itself added two more caveats, namely non toxic and safe, which would be required before any lead substitute could be introduced. However, these four criteria were in respect of the lead poisoning of waterfowl in the UK and European wetlands. However, one would have thought that like considerations would apply in the current situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Salopian said: Well, very disappointed that I have not received any decent replies to my previous post about the effects of steelshot on grassland . Not even from Lancer . But David BASC , sorry that I elevated Peter Glenser to the position of CEO instead of his correct title of former Chair . Thankfully unlike previous BASC CEO's Peter is not anti-lead , devious or inefficient . May I remind everyone that BASC stated that they would support the use of Lead shot until such time as an efficient , economic alternative was readily available . At present that is most certainly NOT the case. How many pages addressing that exact subject do you need exactly. You got the link read the ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, old'un said: Can anyone show me an article relating to the death of someone as a result of eating lead shot game? No safe limit for lead in the Human body any amount is not good. Why eat something that’s capable of effecting your health , when the exact same food is there what is not harmful. Makes no sense at all. You do not need to die of anything to know its not good for you. Why drink water from a dyke when you got a tap. But the dyke might not kill you. Lead is toxic. its that simple. Trying to dress it up has been done to death. Its toxic its doing us no favours, and its alternatives are good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 29 minutes ago, lancer425 said: No safe limit for lead in the Human body any amount is not good. Why eat something that’s capable of effecting your health , when the exact same food is there what is not harmful. Makes no sense at all. You do not need to die of anything to know its not good for you. Why drink water from a dyke when you got a tap. But the dyke might not kill you. Lead is toxic. its that simple. Trying to dress it up has been done to death. Its toxic its doing us no favours, and its alternatives are good. So from that answer I presume you cannot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, old'un said: Can anyone show me an article relating to the death of someone as a result of eating lead shot game? how about this, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, old'un said: So from that answer I presume you cannot. Yes i can not because no data exists. But death or no death , there is no safe limit foe lead in the human body. That is very well documented, Why would you or anybody need a corpse as clear evidence. It is toxic, just walk past it move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, andrewluke said: how about this, Ok a picture of skeletons? Where’s the article relating to their deaths from eating lead shot game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 Just now, old'un said: Ok a picture of skeletons? Where’s the article relating to their deaths from eating lead shot game? Maybe they got shot,would that count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, old'un said: Ok a picture of skeletons? Where’s the article relating to their deaths from eating lead shot game? any one got a spare happy pill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 3 hours ago, andrewluke said: i bet game shot with lead are safer to eat than these https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/mar/07/are-sausages-bad-for-you-processed-meat That is exactly the irony of it all, they’ll eat processed **** and fast food full of sugar, salt and fat and pay a fortune for it, but the tiniest bit of lead and the world ends.What is this world coming to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 have a read https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13280-019-01194-x definition of Chronic: Persistant,constantly recurring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 36 minutes ago, andrewluke said: have a read https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13280-019-01194-x definition of Chronic: Persistant,constantly recurring. you only have to see the sudden lead is toxic lead is toxic non stop hype to see what chronic is NOW some need to sell steel shot game lead is like the black death warning do not fire without protective clothing warning only to be sold in plain packaging talk about over doing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 On 19/03/2020 at 16:15, Velocette said: Am I missing something here,,,,surely the largest single use plastic is the cartridge case. Will these be banned too ? The cases can at least be recycled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 On 19/03/2020 at 16:18, Scully said: Thanks. You’ve only answered one of my questions, but that’s better than nothing; the rest consists of things I’m already aware of, but much of it regarding what the manufacturers are capable of seems rather vague....not an ideal situation on which to base policy and a huge shift in the way we shoot steel through non steel proofed barrels with a non plastic wad. All the bores you mentioned seem promising at first sight, until you factor in you are calling for a non plastic wad also. So if the demand for lead shot continues, ( I certainly don’t intend to stop buying it ) and there is no increase in the uptake in sales for steel ( and I can’t see why there would be without a non plastic wad which protects non steel proofed barrels ) and cartridge manufacturers keep making lead shot to cater for demand, then what? What do you propose to do then? Bear in mind there is nothing to prevent game shooters from using trap cartridges to shoot game...not all game is headed for commercial use. Steek proofing is not a measure of whether a gun is able to withstand steel shot coming into contact with a barrel. Steel proofed or non steel proof can be equally susceptible to this. In fact, many non steel proofed guns could stand up better to barrel - to - shot contact than many steel proofed guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, motty said: Steek proofing is not a measure of whether a gun is able to withstand steel shot coming into contact with a barrel. Steel proofed or non steel proof can be equally susceptible to this. In fact, many non steel proofed guns could stand up better to barrel - to - shot contact than many steel proofed guns. I know, it’s all dependant on the wad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Salopian said: Well, very disappointed that I have not received any decent replies to my previous post about the effects of steelshot on grassland . Not even from Lancer . But David BASC , sorry that I elevated Peter Glenser to the position of CEO instead of his correct title of former Chair . Thankfully unlike previous BASC CEO's Peter is not anti-lead , devious or inefficient . May I remind everyone that BASC stated that they would support the use of Lead shot until such time as an efficient , economic alternative was readily available . At present that is most certainly NOT the case. What shot are you expecting to be able to use? There are only a finite number of shot types. I think we can only choose from what we have now. 11 minutes ago, Scully said: I know, it’s all dependant on the wad. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocette Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, motty said: The cases can at least be recycled. I imagine that they can, but,I asked the Council cleansing dept. today about recycling used shotgun cartridges and he said that they were not to be mixed with any plastics because of the metal component, under any circumstances. Apparently I need to find a specialist re-cycler to deal with them, if such a service exists. Clay grounds must have some system in place but I have not enquired yet. I would be interested to hear of others experiences with this and wonder if its simply the case that most folk burn or bin them without a thought for recycling. My point is that just because cases CAN be recycled, perhaps, it doesn't follow that they will be and the argument for binning single use wads is hardly justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, Velocette said: I imagine that they can, but,I asked the Council cleansing dept. today about recycling used shotgun cartridges and he said that they were not to be mixed with any plastics because of the metal component, under any circumstances. Apparently I need to find a specialist re-cycler to deal with them, if such a service exists. Clay grounds must have some system in place but I have not enquired yet. I would be interested to hear of others experiences with this and wonder if its simply the case that most folk burn or bin them without a thought for recycling. My point is that just because cases CAN be recycled, perhaps, it doesn't follow that they will be and the argument for binning single use wads is hardly justified. There is a place in LIncolnshire that will do it, as far as I know they have franchises across the UK. You can google it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 9 hours ago, Velocette said: I imagine that they can, but,I asked the Council cleansing dept. today about recycling used shotgun cartridges and he said that they were not to be mixed with any plastics because of the metal component, under any circumstances. Apparently I need to find a specialist re-cycler to deal with them, if such a service exists. Clay grounds must have some system in place but I have not enquired yet. I would be interested to hear of others experiences with this and wonder if its simply the case that most folk burn or bin them without a thought for recycling. My point is that just because cases CAN be recycled, perhaps, it doesn't follow that they will be and the argument for binning single use wads is hardly justified. Don’t burn them that is against the law, if caught expect a heavy fine. if unable to recycle them properly then your only option then is land fill non recycled waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 Try Agri.cycle they do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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