scolopax Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 what type of card are you using ? I bought the tooling from G Deakin last year along with a bag of cards (8 bore) , but the cards repeatedly split on the circumference of the fold. I still used them but they did not look very pretty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 10 hours ago, scolopax said: what type of card are you using ? I bought the tooling from G Deakin last year along with a bag of cards (8 bore) , but the cards repeatedly split on the circumference of the fold. I still used them but they did not look very pretty. Spanish fruit packing boxes I found the best, slightly waxed so dont crack on the shoulder. I found deakins card to hard , it always cracked on the shoulder after you made the cup . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 11 hours ago, scolopax said: what type of card are you using ? I bought the tooling from G Deakin last year along with a bag of cards (8 bore) , but the cards repeatedly split on the circumference of the fold. I still used them but they did not look very pretty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted March 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 Does anyone have an updated number for Graham? The number I have for him has been engaged all day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 I will PM you what I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 On 29/02/2020 at 21:32, scolopax said: what type of card are you using ? I bought the tooling from G Deakin last year along with a bag of cards (8 bore) , but the cards repeatedly split on the circumference of the fold. I still used them but they did not look very pretty. To cut a long story short….some years ago I was asked to make some tooling to produce cardboard cups, once I had made the blanking and raising tools he soaked the card disks in melted candle wax, then whilst they were still warm he placed them in the raising tool, the wax helped soften the card which stopped it cracking and when they came out of the tooling they had set hard. You could perhaps try this idea to stop the cracking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted March 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I will PM you what I have. Wrong Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 23 hours ago, Smokersmith said: Does anyone have an updated number for Graham? The number I have for him has been engaged all day? I’ve just used the 10 bore one made a cup and fitted it into a 12 bore case so the dimensions are not going to be a lot different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 On 03/03/2020 at 15:37, old'un said: To cut a long story short….some years ago I was asked to make some tooling to produce cardboard cups, once I had made the blanking and raising tools he soaked the card disks in melted candle wax, then whilst they were still warm he placed them in the raising tool, the wax helped soften the card which stopped it cracking and when they came out of the tooling they had set hard. You could perhaps try this idea to stop the cracking. Great info oldun thank you for sharing that here. Much appreciated. 4 hours ago, Old farrier said: I’ve just used the 10 bore one made a cup and fitted it into a 12 bore case so the dimensions are not going to be a lot different With say a back bored gun it might be better. Just guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 49 minutes ago, lancer425 said: Great info oldun thank you for sharing that here. Much appreciated. With say a back bored gun it might be better. Just guessing. I shall try it in one first 😊 it’s a start point card disc a tad smaller and a different size hole to form it into Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiler23 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 Which way round does that card cup go into cartridge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Smiler23 said: Which way round does that card cup go into cartridge? open end down over powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiler23 Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 Thanks for that lancer,thought I was doing it wrong, on pic 12 that old farrier put on ,it looks like card cup is in other way round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Smiler23 said: Thanks for that lancer,thought I was doing it wrong, on pic 12 that old farrier put on ,it looks like card cup is in other way round I imagine he just pushed it in the easiest way he could it being just by way of illustration of size, using clearly a used hull getting it in the right way past the distortion from the old crimp would have been a faff . Edited March 5, 2020 by lancer425 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 04/03/2020 at 13:29, Old farrier said: I’ve just used the 10 bore one made a cup and fitted it into a 12 bore case so the dimensions are not going to be a lot different Interesting as I have just picked up a ten bore kit and was going to try it in a 12 bore case as well having ordered some cup wads today. I am starting to play with the ten bore cases and now just need to pattern test a few loads. Have you patterned any of the 12’s using the ten bore cup card op wad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Dave at kelton said: Interesting as I have just picked up a ten bore kit and was going to try it in a 12 bore case as well having ordered some cup wads today. I am starting to play with the ten bore cases and now just need to pattern test a few loads. Have you patterned any of the 12’s using the ten bore cup card op wad? Not yet only ordered the reloding gear today I’m going to try a lead load first this should give me the comparison that I need same powder wad and shot loads only difference would be the over powder card and the cup over powder card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Not yet only ordered the reloding gear today I’m going to try a lead load first this should give me the comparison that I need same powder wad and shot loads only difference would be the over powder card and the cup over powder card Thanks I will go straight to steel in 3.0-3.25 mm and use data off the Alliant website. I will compare notes over the coming months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 14 hours ago, Dave at kelton said: Thanks I will go straight to steel in 3.0-3.25 mm and use data off the Alliant website. I will compare notes over the coming months. This is was a lead load for my old 10 bore maybe it’s a help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 22 minutes ago, Old farrier said: This is was a lead load for my old 10 bore maybe it’s a help May be able to adapt that for my 2 5/8 ten bore, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 Just finished dissecting a Winchester cartrige hopefully it’s something useful to work with sorry pictures defy gravity again 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) So now you need a Stainless Steel Plunger and a Nylon Former and you can go in to production when you can cut up enough Kellogs Cornflakes packets. Edited March 10, 2020 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: So now you need a Stainless Steel Plunger and a Nylon Former and you can go in to production when you can cut up enough Kellogs Cornflakes packets. Very kind offer 👍👍😊 although shredded wheat is for the tougher game shooters 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogs Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 Hi bud, following with great intrest, can I ask , what's the odd looking thick wad out of the Winchester case ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Dogs said: Hi bud, following with great intrest, can I ask , what's the odd looking thick wad out of the Winchester case ? It’s like a cork ? I’ve not dissected it yet hopefully someone will know at a glance it does have a recess in the top possibly caused by the loading process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 They are just spacer wads which serve little purpose except to bring the wad column up to the correct height, the inverted card wad is the important one as it creates the gas seal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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