lancer425 Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 With the call for a voluntary ban on lead shot in live quarry over the next five years. What are your plans for the immediate future and the next season. ? 1. stop using lead and plaswads from now on in all live quarry shooting. 2. stop using lead now shoot non lead but use plaswads until alternatives are available. 3. use a mixture of both lead and non lead until my lead stocks are depleted then all non tox. and stop using plaswads when alternatives become available. 4. Nothing until it becomes law. 5. carry on regardless stock up on lead they will take lead from my cold dead hands. 6. something else. i am going with 3. but not buying any more lead or ammo. concerned about plaswads hope i do not have to buy any more, before suiyable alternatives are available. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) 7) keep using lead (mainly fibre) till the orgs and cartridge manufacturers can get together and sort this mess out. Then when the time comes, if, they have sorted out a suitable load/size/wad/case situation like most others probably move onto that. Edit, 5 made me chuckle out loud. Edited March 1, 2020 by Farmboy91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedward Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 No new science, no change. Option no. 4. Having said that, I find iron shot very effective for my purposes, but I would prefer to lose plastic before lead - where legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 5) as i shoot like a blind man chucking bricks might as well use the best while i can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 number 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) got a few kg 6s to reload Edited March 1, 2020 by Saltings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 i will use lead till the end.5 years to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 4 all my shoots, game and clays are fibre only, and a very rare occasional guest at a Forestry Commission wood, which incidentally i didn't know was no steel shot i won't be changing anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTaylor91 Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 Lead and fibre wads. Do people still use plastic wads on pigeon and game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 A lot depends upon where I am shooting as I buy most driven days and am guest on others if the game is sold to a dealer that requires none toxic (main reason for ban) then that is what I will shoot!!! if the land owner requires none plastic ( other reason for ban) I will shoot that if both are required on the same shoot I’m stuffed as nothing is available for my game gun (currently working on home loads to solve the problem) please remember that it’s a team of guns that shoot and we all need to shoot the same especially if it’s going to a game dealer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prem1234 Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 So a cross between 3 and 4 depending on what shooting I’m doing. My preference is lead/fibre as I mainly shoot game and pigeon (unless land/game owner specify anything else). When shooting Duck obviously steel/plastic but I will look to go to steel and biodegradable wad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 4. with some experiments using steel and card cups for game loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, Old farrier said: A lot depends upon where I am shooting as I buy most driven days and am guest on others if the game is sold to a dealer that requires none toxic (main reason for ban) then that is what I will shoot!!! if the land owner requires none plastic ( other reason for ban) I will shoot that if both are required on the same shoot I’m stuffed as nothing is available for my game gun (currently working on home loads to solve the problem) please remember that it’s a team of guns that shoot and we all need to shoot the same especially if it’s going to a game dealer Pointless really, some will carry on using cartridges containing lead shot and plastic wads, even after the five years are up.........because it’s voluntary the cartridges are cheap and effective and there are currently little alternatives that don’t have significant disadvantages!.........that is when the government will take it out of our hands, step in and ban them!....and you can bet the antis will be monitoring it......again shooting will have walked into another death by a thousand cuts scenario of further regulation, if you ignore the ban, what do we reckon the penalty will be? Lose your Certificate? Now that the genie is out of the lamp lead and plastic wads are on borrowed time! As for me, I will do as I do now (No 3, but I have for some time, consciously avoided using plastic, where possible) however when the time comes, I will comply with the law! Because if I break it, and I’m caught.........I suspect I will have my certificate taken from me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 It has to be 6 for me. Yes I want to got to non plastic and non toxic but it is not possible. I can and will have cut out plastic in ten and eight bores for next season with a bit of work over the summer. In 12 bore I have no chance at present as I cannot use anything other than factory lead and fibre in Damascus barrelled English guns on the few shoots I go on. I cannot cut out plastic in the twelve on the shore as I cannot get a card shot cup. I could try bismuth but it is prohibitively expensive and in my experience not as effective as steel and I don’t want to be wounding Similar story in the 20 bore over and under would like to use steel but nothing with a card cup wad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 I will use steel on my for my Wildfowling as I always have done. I will continue to use fiber wad lead for all my other shooting as it's still the best for it's price for the job. As for all this lead is no good for us no matter how small a quantity. Government best get rid of every single lead water pipe in this country then. Bout time our orgs started chanting if leads bad, ban the lead pipes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 20 minutes ago, figgy said: As for all this lead is no good for us no matter how small a quantity. Government best get rid of every single lead water pipe in this country then. Bout time our orgs started chanting if leads bad, ban the lead pipes. I live in an old lead mining area. Due to nature the soil has a high lead content but locals have a reputation for being quite long lived and many used to grow all their own veg, but building regs now in place require the top 500mm of soil removed because it is polluted. Go figure, it would appear to be a minor problem with high level lead in paint has developed with the snowflakes and their predecessors into a problem with even trace lead. The situation with lead pipes would have occurred had even the labour party and greens not realised what a massive cost to government and own goal it would have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 4 hours ago, JTaylor91 said: Lead and fibre wads. Do people still use plastic wads on pigeon and game? yes i do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 4&1/2. Sorry to be awkward, but that's the truth of the matter. I will not break the law, but the possibility of 5 cannot be ignored before 4 kicks in. All being well I'm half thinking of renewing the certificates at the end of this year so I have the 5 years left plus one to get shot of everything that needs to go. We did see the odd duck while the farm grew maize which is no more and the only water there is is a pond now surrounded by a solar panel array. Nothing that I shoot goes into the public food supply and I've used fibre since I don't know when. Consequently, I would like to sight the document that Perazzishot has said that BASC sent to the ECHA at the tail end of last year because I simply can't understand the need for a blanket lead ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 5 years until this becomes an issue. My clay ground is Plas wad free.. And the game shoots I'm on some do ask for plastic free. Soo I will be shooting perfectly legal lead until I get told other wise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Heron Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 Definitely 5 I'm sick of all the do-gooders today it seems any minority with some poxy cause gets publicity and listen to why should should they have the right to destroy the lively hoods and the persuits of ordinary people also like many others l feel hugely let down by all the shooting organisations and they all did a u turn basc ngo etc they should be ashamed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 Ask me again in 2025, for now it is business as usual so 4. For me the ball is in the cartridge maker’s court. In 5 years I will look at what is affordable and effective then make whatever choice suits me and stays the right side of any law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve s×s Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 20 hours ago, lancer425 said: With the call for a voluntary ban on lead shot in live quarry over the next five years. What are your plans for the immediate future and the next season. ? 1. stop using lead and plaswads from now on in all live quarry shooting. 2. stop using lead now shoot non lead but use plaswads until alternatives are available. 3. use a mixture of both lead and non lead until my lead stocks are depleted then all non tox. and stop using plaswads when alternatives become available. 4. Nothing until it becomes law. 5. carry on regardless stock up on lead they will take lead from my cold dead hands. 6. something else. i am going with 3. but not buying any more lead or ammo. concerned about plaswads hope i do not have to buy any more, before suiyable alternatives are available. . Do not break any Laws and shoot as often as you can! That's all I have to say. 😇 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 Lead shot and fibre wads. Unless duck then it's bismuth. Steel? No bloomin' way. What now I shoot I eat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 I have some 600 410s loaded to my standard recipe which includes lead shot and fibre wads. We will see what happens when they have been used up. Will probably continue as normal. I have about 100 Eley Bismuth factory for the very occasional shot at ducks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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