ShootingEgg Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 Another nail added, even if it wasn't a licence holding shooter. Why is it that a few still do this. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-51765926 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twenty Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 What can you say, unbelievable, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 So sad and so stupid . Needless shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 Sounds like it was a shotgun so very likely a legally held one. There are some serious 'paper hats' about even in the shooting community. Someone needs to hang their head in shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greylag Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 What is the matter with people.Shooting fraternity always getting the blame!Peragrenes love chasing racing pigeons.!!!,not pointing fingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, greylag said: What is the matter with people.Shooting fraternity always getting the blame!Peragrenes love chasing racing pigeons.!!!,not pointing fingers. It isn’t the shooting community that is to blame....it is one idiot with a gun! Because someone is speeding every motorist is not to blame!........Because some scrote is a burglar?.....not every one is! Its up to the law to catch criminals and put them before a judge.....not for society to judge everyone, for the illegal act of one mindless moron! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greylag Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 26 minutes ago, panoma1 said: It isn’t the shooting community that is to blame....it is one idiot with a gun! Because someone is speeding every motorist is not to blame!........Because some scrote is a burglar?.....not every one is! Its up to the law to catch criminals and put them before a judge.....not for society to judge everyone, for the illegal act of one mindless moron! Too true,these idiots must be stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 Could be pigeon fanciers with an airgun and press jumping to conclusions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 2 hours ago, grahamch said: Could be pigeon fanciers with an airgun and press jumping to conclusions That's what my thought was because a game keeper with a shotgun....the thing would have been riddled with shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 2 hours ago, grahamch said: Could be pigeon fanciers with an airgun and press jumping to conclusions Belper is like pigeon fancier central. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 3 hours ago, greylag said: What is the matter with people.Shooting fraternity always getting the blame!Peragrenes love chasing racing pigeons.!!!,not pointing fingers. Racing pigeon owners absolutely hate peregrine falcons, something to do with keeping the birds from clocking in aftyer races. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 Read in one article that the bird was shot near the town center so it could have been an air rifle, cant image someone letting a shotgun off near the town center. My uncle (now deceased) used to keep racing pigeons and he would shoot anything that might harm his birds and I mean anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 So we have gone from feeling sick about this , to a pigeon fancier , with an air rifle . The article states " shotgun pellet " can we all agree who ever did it was very wrong in doing so , and not shifting the blame ........... we dont know . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, johnphilip said: So we have gone from feeling sick about this , to a pigeon fancier , with an air rifle . The article states " shotgun pellet " can we all agree who ever did it was very wrong in doing so , and not shifting the blame ........... we dont know . We also don’t know if they are shotgun pellets, its only what the papers/media are telling us, if I remember, anytime there were incidents like this they were pretty quick to put up x-rays showing shotgun pellets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, old'un said: We also don’t know if they are shotgun pellets, its only what the papers/media are telling us, if I remember, anytime there were incidents like this they were pretty quick to put up x-rays showing shotgun pellets. I would presume the vet removing the pellet , they would know the difference .until there is more on it , we have to presume the report is correct as this is all that has been told upto now . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 I am sceptical about this. The RSPB has been known to fabricate the existence of pellets in bird of prey carcasses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishy735 Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, johnphilip said: I would presume the vet removing the pellet , they would know the difference .until there is more on it , we have to presume the report is correct as this is all that has been told upto now . In this day and age I don't believe anything that is said, how many times have we jumped up and down only to find out we have been hoodwinked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, johnphilip said: I would presume the vet removing the pellet , they would know the difference .until there is more on it , we have to presume the report is correct as this is all that has been told upto now . Or it could read like this….vet tells the media that he has remove one of two pellets found in the bird…the media reports “vet removes shotgun pellets” A good point by JDog about fabricating evidence with regards BOP being shot, the anti brigade have some pretty nasty followers and would not put it past them to actually shoot BOP and then plant them where they would be found, these people will stop at nothing to try and bring shooting down, believe me I have meet some of them, not nice people. Edited March 6, 2020 by old'un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benthejockey Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 Personally I find it hard to believe that 1 there were only two "shotgun" pellets in the bird and 2 that if they shotgun pellets they were of a significant enough size that a vet would try to remove them. Number 5 or 6 shot is pretty small, a peregrine is pretty small, I'm not a vet but I've cut up enough animals to know digging out a shotgun pellet is going to do a lot of damage and be difficult to find. An airgun pellet would be bigger and potentially shallower because of the lower velocity and in my mind more of a likely candidate for removal. The papers are normally very quick to release the Xrays if it's shotgun poisoning yet no photos? Whoever has done it is a right ******** nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 54 minutes ago, Benthejockey said: 1 hour ago, Benthejockey said: Personally I find it hard to believe that 1 there were only two "shotgun" pellets in the bird and 2 that if they shotgun pellets they were of a significant enough size that a vet would try to remove them. Number 5 or 6 shot is pretty small, a peregrine is pretty small, I'm not a vet but I've cut up enough animals to know digging out a shotgun pellet is going to do a lot of damage and be difficult to find. An airgun pellet would be bigger and potentially shallower because of the lower velocity and in my mind more of a likely candidate for removal. The papers are normally very quick to release the Xrays if it's shotgun poisoning yet no photos? Whoever has done it is a right ******** nonetheless. Agree, no evidence to support our theory but I cannot imagine there is a strong medical reason to require operating to remove a tiny 0.08gram speck of e.g. no 7 shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 On 06/03/2020 at 12:41, greylag said: What is the matter with people.Shooting fraternity always getting the blame!Peragrenes love chasing racing pigeons.!!!,not pointing fingers. i have had many an argument with pigeon fanciers who would shoot a BOP at the drop of a hat and poison them but its the shooting fraternity that gets the blame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 all ways the same.and all ways will be us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old melv Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 Derbyshire times reporting that the pergrines injury were consistent with a collision. on xray lead pellet were found but wounds had healed over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, Old melv said: Derbyshire times reporting that the pergrines injury were consistent with a collision. on xray lead pellet were found but wounds had healed over. Do you mean lead pellet or lead pellets? A single pellet may indicate an air rifle. Multiple pellets would mean a shot gun cartridge was used. This is critical information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 Looks like they did not remove any shot/pellets, one thing I do not like is the headline implying the bird died from being shot…https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/crime/peregrine-falcon-dies-derbyshire-after-being-shot-2399469 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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