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Oil price in the toilet, is now the time to let the Scots have another vote


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I’m no fan of referendums - the Scottish one in a lifetime vote now appears to be once a year or as many times until the SNP get the result they want. Ditto for Brexit.

However, correct me if I’m wrong, but without decent a oil price and English support, Scotland is no better than Greece but without the sunshine, the history, the culture or the olive oil  😝

Discuss. 

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54 minutes ago, Mungler said:

I’m no fan of referendums - the Scottish one in a lifetime vote now appears to be once a year or as many times until the SNP get the result they want. Ditto for Brexit.

However, correct me if I’m wrong, but without decent a oil price and English support, Scotland is no better than Greece but without the sunshine, the history, the culture or the olive oil  😝

Discuss. 

I’ll give you olive oil and sunshine (today may be the exception), but.... 

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If the SNP manage to suppress the truth for long enough, until they can fool the electorate into vote for independence.........if they succeed, the reality will quickly become apparent to the people of Scotland, the SNP will lose any credibility they might currently have, and in consequence be kicked out of power at the ballot box, and a new elected, devolved government will be one that supports rejoining the Union!

 

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The spoiler to Scottish independence and oil revenues could be the Shetland Islanders. At the time of the last referendum there was serious talk of The Shetlands remaining with the UK or becoming a dependency should Scotland vote to leave. In such an outcome would oil revenues in The Shetlands “territorial waters”  be denied to Scotland?

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The SNP groupthink as a government appears to be similar to Corbynism and thus they seem to perceive independence as a sort of nationalisation of the entire country plus a few  vanity projects like the scandal of the new ferries rusting away in a bankrupt Clyde shipyard. The big flaw is that with 70% or so of the workforce in the public sector, most of whom work for the UK rather than Scotland exclusively, it's difficult to see how Scotland could fund it's socialist paradise - with or without oil revenues.

The SNP was formed in the 50s with a single objective, viz: Independence, and I'm not at all sure they ever expected be in government. Having worked in the 1970s with an SNP activist, I quickly worked out that independence was their only goal and oil revenues their only argument for it.

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3 hours ago, Dave at kelton said:

Economic reality plays no part in SNP logic

It seems the SNP believes Scotland could quickly join the EU once the dust settles after independence and that Brussels would use the model which transformed Ireland by shipping 10s of billions into the coffers in Edinburgh. Whether Brussels could afford it without the massive UK contribution is the big question. Once the EU becomes the German Economic Union, the purse strings are likely to be severely tightened.

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SNP want to do away with the reliance on fossil fuels  with more wind & wave energy producers so as a Scott who voted NO in the yes - no  referendum I dont think they will want to make a big statement again about the oil in the north, North Sea belonging to the people of Scotland.   Smoke & mirrors or wind and **** 

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"is now the time to let the Scots have another vote"

Despite what you hear from the SNP, the Scots don't want another vote.

When you hear them whinging about Brexit being undemocratic the needles on your irony meters should be  smashing out the end of the display.

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3 minutes ago, Nial said:

"is now the time to let the Scots have another vote"

Despite what you hear from the SNP, the Scots don't want another vote.

When you hear them whinging about Brexit being undemocratic the needles on your irony meters should be  smashing out the end of the display.

Well said, I cant agree more 

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Sorry to diverge from the original post but reference to Alec Salmond, on a  you tube clip of his first court appearance earlier this year I am sure there were around 20 police officers around the courthouse door.   No shortage of the thin blue line that day.

 

Blackpowder

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7 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

hello, so you think if the SNP get independence for Scotland they will claim the Oil reserves 

Yes. My mate worked on several rigs North of Scotland. A lot of Scots work them, he says how the Scots owned the oil / land and they all said it. 
 

He was Irish himself but was raving when I said the Scots wouldn’t automatically own that oil. He was very left wing (yet kept all his money in his company to avoid paying tax). 

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8 hours ago, Mungler said:

I’m no fan of referendums - the Scottish one in a lifetime vote now appears to be once a year or as many times until the SNP get the result they want. Ditto for Brexit.

However, correct me if I’m wrong, but without decent a oil price and English support, Scotland is no better than Greece but without the sunshine, the history, the culture or the olive oil  😝

Discuss. 

Must not give in to the temptation ....

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6 hours ago, Westward said:

It seems the SNP believes Scotland could quickly join the EU once the dust settles after independence and that Brussels would use the model which transformed Ireland by shipping 10s of billions into the coffers in Edinburgh. Whether Brussels could afford it without the massive UK contribution is the big question. Once the EU becomes the German Economic Union, the purse strings are likely to be severely tightened.

Check out the Irish Freedom Party on you tube.....the Irish position is now PAY UP to the EU coffers, your membership dues ---- as well as the interest due on the debt for a bail out .....Seems Eire is in the same boat as Greece?

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10 hours ago, Mungler said:

I’m no fan of referendums - the Scottish one in a lifetime vote now appears to be once a year or as many times until the SNP get the result they want. Ditto for Brexit.

However, correct me if I’m wrong, but without decent a oil price and English support, Scotland is no better than Greece but without the sunshine, the history, the culture or the olive oil  😝

Discuss. 

Scotland is a beautiful place with absolutely stunning views its a shame for the country the reception that you get when you go there people I've met can't wait to give you a history lesson I don't have any problems with Scottish people or any other nation for that matter I love a bit of banter like I have with my Welsh friends but that's where it stops considering that I am putting money into the country you would think I would deserve a better reception 

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3 minutes ago, harkom said:

Check out the Irish Freedom Party on you tube.....the Irish position is now PAY UP to the EU coffers, your membership dues ---- as well as the interest due on the debt for a bail out .....Seems Eire is in the same boat as Greece?

That's how it works. The EU poured huge amounts of money into Ireland over about 35 years to fast track the country into the 1st world. It worked to a degree but without going into the specifics, the Dublin government got used to spending far more than the economy could generate and, as the EU funding began to be phased out, they resorted to ever greater borrowing. As with Greece, Spain and Portugal it eventually caught up with them and of course now, Ireland has become a net contributor to the EU. It's payback time and they don't much like it.

Are you listening Nicola?

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4 minutes ago, The Heron said:

Scotland is a beautiful place with absolutely stunning views its a shame for the country the reception that you get when you go there people I've met can't wait to give you a history lesson I don't have any problems with Scottish people or any other nation for that matter I love a bit of banter like I have with my Welsh friends but that's where it stops considering that I am putting money into the country you would think I would deserve a better reception 

You do well to understand what their on about, thats both really. 😉

 

 

I cant see what the problem is, give them independence,  do it tomorrow, if little cranky wants her own country its hers. The news can then start covering the fall of the little porridge muncher. 

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