mudpatten Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 Here`s one for the conspiracy theorists among us. You will remember that BASC has always maintained that it liaised with the cartridge manufacturers throughout the run up to the lead shot fiasco. As BASC sponsors, much of that laison was allegedly done through David Thompson, Head of sales for Eley who attended numerous meetings at which this whole isues was discussed and who, it is alleged, was responsible for onwardly transmitting this information to the rest of the cartridge trade. As of the last couple of weeks, his services have been dispensed with by Eley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 https://uk.linkedin.com/in/david-thompson-07a0587 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 It would certainly be interesting to understand the facts around this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Smokersmith said: It would certainly be interesting to understand the facts around this. Too true. If nothing else that may well go some way towards answering the one question - were they or were they not told? - to which we've yet to have a definitive answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted March 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 I`m merely making an observation here. There is no underlying suggestion or statement. BASC say the cartridge makers were told. That, BASC maintain, is a fact. The cartridge industry says it was not told and are equally adamant about it. The former sales director of the cartridge company that sponsored BASC and attended numerous meetings regarding this subject now no longer works for Eley. For all I know he may simply, and coincidentally, have been made redundant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 Why not contact David via Linkedin and ask him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 29 minutes ago, mudpatten said: I`m merely making an observation here. There is no underlying suggestion or statement. BASC say the cartridge makers were told. That, BASC maintain, is a fact. The cartridge industry says it was not told and are equally adamant about it. The former sales director of the cartridge company that sponsored BASC and attended numerous meetings regarding this subject now no longer works for Eley. For all I know he may simply, and coincidentally, have been made redundant. Accepted that from the off by the wording of your post. His departure make well explain the confusion. If the organisations spoke to him and explained what they were going to do and asked if he'd pass the info on, then you can understand their statement that the makers were told. However, if David then failed to do that, then equally you can understand the makers' point of view. But if we would like a conspiracy theory, how about that both sides slipped him some folding to take the fall that it was all his fault and he'll start work at Lyalvale in a few months when all the fuss has died down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 Scapegoat(now with a big back pocket) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted March 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) I hadn`t though of that one, but why not? David tells me he was made redundant. It will be interesting to see if they appoint another Sales Director since that post now no longer exists. Edited March 22, 2020 by mudpatten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 i’m sure eley enjoy all the money i spend with them as much as i enjoy the truth so until we GET the truth NO more of my money is going to ELEY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 It STINKS ! Which ever way it was worked out, could be the end of both Eley and BASC. There just had to be more to this than first reported, Someone at the BASC should face the chop to, someone at the very top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted March 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 I`m always fascinated to see how BASC is always at fault in the eyes of some. True it often is! But for some the hatred is beyond reason!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, mudpatten said: I`m always fascinated to see how BASC is always at fault in the eyes of some. True it often is! But for some the hatred is beyond reason!. on this occasion i’m stopping giving eley my money in order to be fair with basc i’m happy i know who lied but until one of them own up my cash goes elsewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 since when has one company had discussions with what's going on with their competitors???,doesn't make sense to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) Hmm. I was told by one of the other cartridge makers here in the UK that initially Eley weren't at first part of the cartridge makers' response to BASC but came on board at the last moment. Edited March 22, 2020 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 What does proper cartridges have to say about this? Not seen him on here for a while and I'm sure he has tuppence to give on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, wymberley said: Accepted that from the off by the wording of your post. His departure make well explain the confusion. If the organisations spoke to him and explained what they were going to do and asked if he'd pass the info on Sorry think that would be totally unprofessional of the shooting organisations to expect one cartridge manufacture to pass on or discuss any such suggested ban with their competitors, may even be against the competition laws, that responsibility was totally the responsibility of the shooting organisations and GTA. My money is on the cartridge manufactures telling the truth, as BASC has sidestepped the issue when ask directly and carefully tried to shift the focus away to when and what was said, to we must protect the future of shooting. Edited March 22, 2020 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 i would guess that David Thompson, Head of sales for Eley has been sacrificed for the sake of BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, andrewluke said: i would guess that David Thompson, Head of sales for Eley has been sacrificed for the sake of BASC Or may be targets not met underperforming sales, let’s face it the rest of this year is going to be very tough for the shooting industry, clay clubs closing country in lockdown even game shooting must be at risk, who will be buying cartridges? Or he has had a better offer elsewhere. could BASC really influence the departure of an employee from a different company? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 18 minutes ago, andrewluke said: i would guess that David Thompson, Head of sales for Eley has been sacrificed for the sake of BASC biggest sacrifice has been the lead for all the screaming lead is toxic the neighbours couldn’t accept most of yesterday’s bag fast enough to help them out a bit and they won’t touch it any other time so much for the evilness of lead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 hour ago, rbrowning2 said: Sorry think that would be totally unprofessional of the shooting organisations to expect one cartridge manufacture to pass on or discuss any such suggested ban with their competitors, may even be against the competition laws, that responsibility was totally the responsibility of the shooting organisations and GTA. My money is on the cartridge manufactures telling the truth, as BASC has sidestepped the issue when ask directly and carefully tried to shift the focus away to when and what was said, to we must protect the future of shooting. Yep, absolutely. I wasn't too clear. I didn't mean they had a quiet chat in the Jug and Bottle at the Rose and Crown, but at a bona Fide authorised meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 Who really cares at the mo? Much more important things to think about at present. How about those folk whose licences are expiring this year and need renewals? Doubtless the police may have more pressing matters? Perhaps BASC may be able to help or advise folk in this pickle. The continual BASC bashing and conspiracy theories are getting tedious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, grahamch said: Who really cares at the mo? Much more important things to think about at present. How about those folk whose licences are expiring this year and need renewals? Doubtless the police may have more pressing matters? Perhaps BASC may be able to help or advise folk in this pickle. The continual BASC bashing and conspiracy theories are getting tedious definately more important things,one is to find out who's got a gun to grahamch's head making him read these posts Edited March 22, 2020 by andrewluke add emoji Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, grahamch said: Who really cares at the mo? Much more important things to think about at present. How about those folk whose licences are expiring this year and need renewals? Doubtless the police may have more pressing matters? Perhaps BASC may be able to help or advise folk in this pickle. The continual BASC bashing and conspiracy theories are getting tedious where’s this basc bashing? i see none on this post point it out please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 18 hours ago, 8 shot said: Someone at the BASC should face the chop to, someone at the very top This approach (unfortunately) has only failed on previous occasions - either actual -regarding removal previous incumbent(s) or attempts by dis-satisfied section of the membership to get elected/introduce changes i.e. failed to bring about an open and effective management at a failed "organisation". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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