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29 minutes ago, motty said:

I'm not sure that is correct.

motty, I agree 100% with what you say regards being less of a risk to others if you are out somewhere in a field but the words from Boris were on the lines of “ please stay at home unless your journey is absolutely essential” now, its how we interpret “absolutely essential”

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16 minutes ago, motty said:

I'm not sure that is correct.

The point is, FEOs have quite a lot of discretion in this regard.

For instance, there is now quite a precedent set for you losing your SGC if you're done for drink driving.  But, I think I'm correct in saying, there is absolutely no legal basis for this, doesn't even appear in the Home office guidelines.  Probably wouldn't stand up to judicial review, but it's also not a point anyone in the shooting orgs is exactly pursuing, precisely because of the public perception.

As for going out shooting:

If I knew a farmer that had asked me, via text preferably, to do some urgent vermin control as his arable crops were being hammered, that's one thing.

But just to go for a wonder round your perms, because you're bored, I wouldn't risk it.  We are a small, crowded island, and I doubt many of us have access to perms where members of the public aren't nearby.

Another example: if I lived, as one member does, on his 12 acre plot, I think I'd chance the taking the air rifle round Udderlyoffroad Towers to keep on top of the squirrel numbers.

As it is, I live in a semi in Suburbia in Bristol, neighbours either side, can barely fire up an angle grinder without attracting complaints.

Roll on the end of this, be it April 13th or later

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just had a call from farmer to go and shoot over drillings,he called the nfu after i declined and texted me about being a key worker on the farm and to crack on.

need summit a bit more concrete before i venture anywhere.

i see the pest control guys have written to Boris asking to be made "key workers"

4 minutes ago, clangerman said:

think the decision has been made for us i hear road blocks are being considered to check if your journey is essential and this chap should know if you get my drift 

apparently we,ve been getting those near us last couple of days.

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7 minutes ago, Remimax said:

just had a call from farmer to go and shoot over drillings,he called the nfu after i declined and texted me about being a key worker on the farm and to crack on.

need summit a bit more concrete before i venture anywhere.

i see the pest control guys have written to Boris asking to be made "key workers"

apparently we,ve been getting those near us last couple of days.

that must be why our lot are going to do it then proper stuck now 

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I'm going to wait and see what Defra comes up with - if anything, of course.

I empathise with DUNKS. I too am old, I too have a heart condition which I've just been told by letter that this has got significantly worse and I don't think 'significantly' will be defined any time soon under the circumstances. I also have a pair of lungs which have not yet - if at all will - fully recovered from the previous arthritis treatment which was determined to stop me breathing, I am on immunosuppressant drugs for said arthritis and my wife is a certificated key worker being the housekeeper in a dimentia care home - last week she brought home the S&D. I've also had my letter from the NHS telling/advising me what to do while I'm house-bound for the next 12 weeks (I don't suppose I can claim for my Lego. No. Thought not).Since this kicked off, I've not been outside apart from driving 'er indoors to work and shop, not having got out of the car. The one exception is walking the dog which I do well away from everyone else and neither of us can go too far anyway. Because of her work, wifey has ensured that I have hand clenser, wipes and gloves in the car. Said letter did not explain how said wifey who does not drive is  supposed to get to work - even if there was public transport that could deliver her the 2.5 miles in under the 2 hours, I wouldn't let her get on it.

Consequently, I think it's more likely to be me at risk rather than anyone that isn't anywhere near me and if the farmer screams and Defra approves I'll do what I'm supposed to whether it be by gasgun or shotgun.

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10 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

But neither can some of the Police forces, how very hypocritical of them.

Am not sure what you mean?

That licensing and the police don't always follow government guidelines regarding licensing or in general?

Which is true but there's a big difference between that and this current situation where rules are being brought out to save lives

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16 minutes ago, stuartyboy said:

Am not sure what you mean?

That licensing and the police don't always follow government guidelines regarding licensing or in general?

Which is true but there's a big difference between that and this current situation where rules are being brought out to save lives

Doesn't make it any less hypocritical.

Taking someone's cert for not following government guidelines/advice, when they don't follow government guidelines themselves.

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2 hours ago, stuartyboy said:

If members of the public see or more likely, hear shooting carrying on as normal they will understandably be angry that folk are carrying on as normal while they are on lockdown. This will reflect badly on shooting as a sport.

Regarding your licenses. The Government has issued orders that curtail free movement for all, except in certain essential circumstances. This is to help save lives. The police issue their SGC and or FAC on the understanding that the recipients are law abiding citizens who will respect the rules and conditions of their licenses and of society in general, and abide by them. In my opinion, if the police respond to people carrying out shooting and the shooter cannot prove beyond doubt that the shooting is essential, they will likely open themselves up for revocation of certificates. This is simply because by out shooting, they have demonstrated that they cannot follow government advice and orders. And if they can't do that when it is designed to save lives, they are unlikely to abide by any other conditions or rules. Therefore they are untrustworthy.

Excellent post.

Those who have been suggesting they are going out Pigeon shooting regardless of the Goverment advice should read this. This is a terrible virus and the numbers infected are still rising; you perhaps dont worry about your own health, but do you honestly not give a damn that your actions could end up causing someone else to become infected and possibly die ?

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3 hours ago, old'un said:

Avon and Somerset Police have said you are not allowed to drive to another location to either exercise or walk your dog.

Wont be long before all forces do the same……https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2020-03-26/police-ban-driving-anywhere-to-walk-your-dog-or-exercise/

I saw on the news where police were stopping cars to find out where they were going , and two police went to tell a women she shouldn't be sitting on a bench .

Anyone thinking about going shooting, JUST FORGET IT 

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15 minutes ago, marsh man said:

I saw on the news where police were stopping cars to find out where they were going , and two police went to tell a women she shouldn't be sitting on a bench .

 

They're gonna be busy then! 🙂 I didn't notice a lot of difference with traffic on the M6 yesterday, until I got back up past Lancaster. 

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