bostonmick Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 If his first act as opposition leader is to try and score points by criticism of the government over a pandemic that nobody in the world can come up with an answer to then that is a very poor start. Let’s wait and see how he performs when parliament is sitting again and the main business of the day is normal politics. However I fear the different factions of his party that are still pulling in different directions will just keep pulling the party down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 2 hours ago, bostonmick said: If his first act as opposition leader is to try and score points by criticism of the government over a pandemic that nobody in the world can come up with an answer to then that is a very poor start. Let’s wait and see how he performs when parliament is sitting again and the main business of the day is normal politics. However I fear the different factions of his party that are still pulling in different directions will just keep pulling the party down. his 2nd act was to sack that old woman Barry gardiner...............Barry has realeased a statement to the press that he has stood down...........................more like stood on would you call starmers 2nd in command......an asset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 I must admit he gets congratulations from me for kicking out my MP John Trickett. There is the old saying that in constituency like Hemsworth, stick a red rosette on a donkey and it will get elected. It is an insult to all donkeys to suggest that trickett could perform better than them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 How is a barrister supposed to have the faintest idea of what life is like for the working man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 Just now, mudpatten said: How is a barrister supposed to have the faintest idea of what life is like for the working man? Well ....... they prosecute them ...... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 At least he got rid of abbacus Abbott . A shame really as she was a real asset to the Tory party . harnset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 Whoever he appoints should be an improvement. His problem is the same one that plagued Gordon Brown - he is boring. No visible personality, which is what is needed in modern, presidential type elections. That said, I hope he gets stuck into the anti-semite scum quite quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Gordon R said: That said, I hope he gets stuck into the anti-semite scum quite quickly. No chance - they are his power base Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 Well he has now handed out the top jobs, Liza nandy gets recognised but nothing as yet for long bailey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 38 minutes ago, Harnser said: At least he got rid of abbacus Abbott . A shame really as she was a real asset to the Tory party . harnset i shall miss "the abbott".....................mind you from the back benches i daresay she will come out with the odd twinkle of stardust to brighten everyones day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver One Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 hour ago, TRINITY said: Well he has now handed out the top jobs, Liza nandy gets recognised but nothing as yet for long bailey. I've got a place for Long Bailey 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, Diver One said: I've got a place for Long Bailey 👍 and what place would that be.................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twenty Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 11 hours ago, ditchman said: and what place would that be.................. I've got a soft spot for her..............down the bottom of our garden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 11 hours ago, Diver One said: I've got a place for Long Bailey 👍 11 hours ago, ditchman said: and what place would that be.................. 8 minutes ago, twenty said: I've got a soft spot for her..............down the bottom of our garden. Do you still have an outside lavatory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twenty Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 22 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Do you still have an outside lavatory? Well, I call it my shed, but when needs must...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 Someone remind me but was he involved in the Jimmy Saville enquiry? Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 My early impression of Sir K is he's a bigger **** *** than his predecessor. God knows who he will appoint to the Shadow Cabinet. PMQT should be entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Bu Le Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 Did he not say he would be working with government in the current crisis...….well he's made a good start...…..not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) Sir Kier is a man of great wisdom and character. In 2009, the paedophile Jimmy Savile was interviewed under caution by police in Surrey and Sussex. Subsequently, the police referred 4 cases to the CPS alleging that Jimmy Savile had abused 3 girls under the age of 16. The CPS, after receiving the files from the police, refused to prosecute Savile and dropped the case claiming ‘insufficient evidence’’. After Savile’s death, and despite multiple attempts of high level cover ups, we now know that he abused up to 500 victims over a four-decade period. The man in charge of the CPS at the time, that decided there was 'insufficient evidence' to charge Savile, is the now Leader of the Labour Party, Sir Kier Starmer. Edited April 6, 2020 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 1 minute ago, mick miller said: The man in charge of the CPS at the time, that decided there was 'insufficient evidence' to charge Savile I am no supporter of Labour or defender of Starmer, but it is quite possible that there was 'insufficient evidence' at the time. The Police collect evidence and in the event that they think they may have a case, put that evidence to the CPS who need to be confident that they have a good chance of winning the case. Once you have charged someone and taken them to court - and they have been found 'not guilty', it is difficult to charge them again later unless there have been quite material changes to the evidence (or other offences are on trial). It is known as Double Jeopardy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_jeopardy For this reason - the CPS won't go to trial if they believe that they have insufficient evidence to convict - even if they believe the accused to be guilty - because it might prevent any future trial. I seem to remember that much of the solid evidence about Saville came out after his death. Whether the lack of evidence before was Police negligence, frightened witnesses, possible corruption or something else, the likelihood is that the CPS would have wanted to be very certain of conviction before putting such a prominent figure on trial for such serious offences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 One case should be enough to warrant investigation. But then there is a long history of supporting this type of activity in certain circles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 1 minute ago, mick miller said: One case should be enough to warrant investigation. I don't disagree at all. However - investigation (and therefore evidence gathering) is a Police role - not a CPS role. The CPS take the police evidence file and assess whether there is a case that has a good chance of achieving conviction. I assume that the POlice were not able to gather sufficient evidence to present a watertight case. I am not defending Starmer, or the CPS - but going to trial with a bad case might prevent justice (under the rules of Double Jeopardy) rather than achieve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 ed milliband is back...............................wonder if he has bought his stone plinth with him..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, ditchman said: ed milliband is back...............................wonder if he has bought his stone plinth with him..... Ah yes .....the ED STONE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, TRINITY said: Ah yes .....the ED STONE or ED-"I"-STONE................all flash and looking like a great big willy ...... Edited April 6, 2020 by ditchman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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