Asbestos !

[Dougy]

To all.those saying double bag,  

12 foot x 3 foot sheets

Where can you get these bags

The local tip will limit the amount you take, if its bags and bags full tjey may ask for some paperwork. 

Unless of course its one of these huge bags that your all reffering to. 

[Konnie]

I have to remove asbestos as part of my job.

Get it tested,  rule is if not tested and unsure treat as asbestos, 

No not bury or break,  if you are caught transporting it incorrectly large fine and possible prison. 

Do your research before touching this is now a top killer still and is not taken lightly especially out in the open. 

[oldypigeonpopper]

hello, you will find all the information on www.hse.gov.uk,

[Big Rowie]

12 hours ago, B725 said:

Its now illegal to bury it even on your own land,it does look like cement asbestos.

 

I did not know that. Nice one for saying 👍🏻. 

[Benthejockey]

Our tip takes small quantities. No definite answer on what they deemed small quantities but I let the wife do the talking to the old chap and we could have probably taken an artic full 😂 double bagged in thick polythene wrap and you have to dump it in the skip yourself. 

[JKD]

1 hour ago, Konnie said:

I have to remove asbestos as part of my job.

Get it tested,  rule is if not tested and unsure treat as asbestos, 

No not bury or break,  if you are caught transporting it incorrectly large fine and possible prison. 

Do your research before touching this is now a top killer still and is not taken lightly especially out in the open. 

This is sound advice !

I take samples to send off for testing as part of my job [Domestic Insurance Repairs] and actually do the re-fitting of corrugated fibre cement boards.

Definitely get it tested before any other action.

Even if the asbestos content is low, it's still there ! If someone breathes it in, any health issues won't show for up to 25/30 years. Once it's in the lungs, there is no way to get it out !

Asbestosis isn't something that you'd want 😕

[Dougy]

We had someone working at our place years ago and we ended up talking about this kind of waste and the issues while going through the RAMS (risk assessments and method statements) he was telling us that the dust particles can stay in the air over a day. 

[dodgy dave]

when i took my shed down the council gave me the bags to put the 6by 3 roofing sheets in no problem at all ...they only allowed you 12 bags though

[Jaymo]

3 hours ago, mel b3 said:

i think that most local authorities will accept it for free these days , youll just need to follow their advice when dealing with it , just give the council a call.

Not here in Norfolk- as others have said above, ring and make an appointment for disposal.

Cannot remember the charge, so I contacted a waste management company who deal with hazardous waste and it was cheaper that way.

 

[JKD]

The problem is that all sheets are either 8ft or 10ft. If they are shorter in situ, they have been cut. To remove, you will create dust. This is why it is dampened [soaked] during removal, to try to keep dust down to a minimum. 

When tested, asbestos can be detected to 1 part in a million, so a sample only needs to be a tiny piece.

For peace of mind, and a relatively low cost, get the specialists in to sort it. The risk is never 0%, because 100% of the particles cannot be cleaned up,,,, it's more about risk limitation, and 100% trying to reduce the risk.

This isn't a kop out,,,, the garages that I re-cover, have lots of 'dust and particles etc' on the floor. In practical terms, it's IMPOSSIBLE to remove 100%.

 

[mel b3]

29 minutes ago, Jaymo said:

Not here in Norfolk- as others have said above, ring and make an appointment for disposal.

Cannot remember the charge, so I contacted a waste management company who deal with hazardous waste and it was cheaper that way.

 

I know that a couple of the local authorities started to take it for free , just because it was cheaper than getting it removed from the country lanes when it was dumped , I believe that only certain sites will accept it though.

It'll be like fridge collections , the rules will change from month to month.

[Mighty Ruler]

The bags are available on eBay, £26.90 for 25 red and 25 clear. You just bag it up, in one of each colour, take it to the tip, fill a form in and throw it in the skip. At least, that’s what I did, about 10 years ago. I couldn’t take it to either of my local tips, I had to go to the county town about 20 miles away.

[tignme]

Back in the day I subbie to a local roofing company who did a lot of garage roof ( asbestos) recovers.

50 x 50 treated timber fitted in the dips in the corrugated sheets fitted by first drilling holes through sheets ( paper coveralls and proper masks) at joists.

Screwing 50 x 50 down and fitting more of same at right angles to accommodate whatever type of finished roof. We finished in torch on felt or fibreglass or metal sheeting.

depending on customers requirements we did the internals in either ply or plasterboard with a skim finish.

The perimeters were all foamed or silicone sealed and new upvc facia.

Don't know if it was legal or not but my son and I made a good living from this.

[Jaymo]

1 hour ago, Mighty Ruler said:

The bags are available on eBay, £26.90 for 25 red and 25 clear. You just bag it up, in one of each colour, take it to the tip, fill a form in and throw it in the skip. At least, that’s what I did, about 10 years ago. I couldn’t take it to either of my local tips, I had to go to the county town about 20 miles away.

10 years ago- when you could also dispose of Pkaterboard and other diy materials 

A lot has changed in the past couple of years 

[moondoggy]

6 hours ago, Dougy said:

To all.those saying double bag,  

12 foot x 3 foot sheets

Where can you get these bags

The local tip will limit the amount you take, if its bags and bags full tjey may ask for some paperwork. 

Unless of course its one of these huge bags that your all reffering to. 

Layflat tubing. We used to have rolls of it a work up to six feet wide. It was in a heavy gauge, so very strong. Just heat seal or Tyrap the open ends.👍

Edited April 12, 2020 by moondoggy

[JKD]

I'm sorry, but there is a lot of help and advice saying "just do this that and the other",,,, "I / we used to do" etc.... Please don't JUST do anything !

Guidance on removal etc can change from authority to authority and from month/year to month/year, and is updated by government regulations annually.

I take an annual certificated sampling course, which, when I've passed, permits me to take samples to send off for testing,,,, and every three years a certificated asbestos awareness course.

This 'stuff' can kill,,,, please take on board the sensible advice and do things properly 👍

Whichever route you choose, be safe and good health to you and yours 👍

[WalkedUp]

1 minute ago, JKD said:

I'm sorry, but there is a lot of help and advice saying "just do this that and the other",,,, "I / we used to do" etc.... Please don't JUST do anything !

Guidance on removal etc can change from authority to authority and from month/year to month/year, and is updated by government regulations annually.

I take an annual certificated sampling course, which, when I've passed, permits me to take samples to send off for testing,,,, and every three years a certificated asbestos awareness course.

This 'stuff' can kill,,,, please take on board the sensible advice and do things properly 👍

Whichever route you choose, be safe and good health to you and yours 👍

Good advice. One of our clients is the the HSE. They are also frequently involved in our other projects. One contractor got into quite a bit of bother over “we used to just” attitude from the early 2000s. Changes to regulations came into effect in 2015. 

Edited April 12, 2020 by WalkedUp

[Mighty Ruler]

3 hours ago, Jaymo said:

10 years ago- when you could also dispose of Pkaterboard and other diy materials 

A lot has changed in the past couple of years 

Well they still sell the asbestos disposal bags on eBay so some authorities must still operate that system.

[Konnie]

As jkd says we have to do a course every 12 months. 

Check regulations you may be able to hire a asbestos skip get a thick polythene sheets, pack it yourself (if permitted) by law then have skip collected. To take any other place you need certification. 

Again do not cut or break this stuff is a later life death sentence,  there's a reason for all the law surrounding it,  it's the perfect material apart from the fact it kills you....

1 minute ago, Mighty Ruler said:

Well they still sell the asbestos disposal bags on eBay so some authorities must still operate that system.

You dont need certification to buy plastic bags 

[JKD]

14 minutes ago, Mighty Ruler said:

Well they still sell the asbestos disposal bags on eBay so some authorities must still operate that system.

No one is disputing that some authorities 'operate that system', as you put it. I don't know even about the authorities in the areas I cover, because the company I work for uses official companies and guidelines from the insurance industry.

Also, just because something is available on eBay doesn't make it an official thing to use.

Best way for anyone to get rid of these cement 'asbestos' sheets etc is,,,, contact an official asbestos removal company and get all further advice and instructions from them.

The last one I did, a couple of months ago actually, the policy holder walked on his garage roof [yes,,,, really !] and put his foot through it. He said he was walking "near the fixings, the strongest part right?" He claimed off his insurance. They covered the whole 'garage roof replacement' costs. This appeared to be an accident. Yeah, right,,,, I've also thought that it might not have been 🤔

[Jaymo]

2 hours ago, Mighty Ruler said:

Well they still sell the asbestos disposal bags on eBay so some authorities must still operate that system.

You can also buy antique bear traps- doesn’t mean you can use them 

[Paddy Galore!]

hi chap, firstly, don't panic. the stuff is outside so you won't be getting a dose of the harmful dust.

also, the type of asbestos used in that stuff is crysotile, or white asbestos, and isn't as harmful as the other types, it's also in a very low concentration and bonded with cement, so even less of a risk

also, to get rid of this stuff you need to speak to a skip company, they can supply a skip specifically designed to handle this.

also, if you want to " double bag" this you do it by wrapping heavy gauge visqueen  polythene and taping it up with duct tape, twice, hence the term double bagging.

if the stuff has weathered badly and has become friable (flaky) and you want to spray it with something then use either a concrete dustproofer (available at a good builders merchant) or use watered down pva, let it set then handle it, it will seal and bond any loose fibres in place.

[JKD]

12 minutes ago, Paddy Galore! said:

hi chap, firstly, don't panic. the stuff is outside so you won't be getting a dose of the harmful dust.

also, the type of asbestos used in that stuff is crysotile, or white asbestos, and isn't as harmful as the other types, it's also in a very low concentration and bonded with cement, so even less of a risk

This is extremely poor and incorrect advice ! ALL types of asbestos are harmful 😯

The only bit I agree with is "don't panic."

 

[Paddy Galore!]

9 minutes ago, JKD said:

This is extremely poor and incorrect advice ! ALL types of asbestos are harmful 😯

The only bit I agree with is "don't panic."

 

no it isn't, , it's proven that the structure of white asbestos is different to that of brown or blue asbestos, also, the roofing sheets are outside, so he won't be in a confined space with any potential particles, therefore he won't be breathing any of the stuff in.

[Konnie]

Asbestos is asbestos tell someone who is dying from it, 

Just because it is outside what about all the fibres in the air he is responsible for,  wrong management as mentioned before can result in large fine (thousands) or prison sentence. So be as relaxed about it as you like.