getthegat Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 ,.I'm sure this has been done to death, but in this months Sporting Shooter, it was put forward that one should see the rib of the gun going away from you "like a gradual ski jump". My semi auto fits so that all I see is the bead, apparently this is where the fit is "flat" and as i tend to have the bird in view, so possibly a little above the line of sight, I figure I'm shooting low. If I were to still shoot this way, ie bird in sight, but add a little height to the comb, so that I see a bit of rib, therefore lifting the point of aim slightly, does this seem feasible? My outings can be a bit erratic, some days not bad others pretty poor and the trouble with the poor days is I don't know what is wrong. Any help very much appreciated. Hope you are all keeping safe and staying sane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 Gunfit for drop aka bend is like the hands of a symmetrical clock. The more the one is down on one side the lower will be the one on the other. More drop = lower point of impact. Less drop = higher point of impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggy74 Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 i found the sweet spot for me (checked on the pattern plate) was that i could see half of the muzzle, imagined as a clock face with the bead at 12, i can see from 9 to 3. works well on my semi auto and my o/u although i did have to raise the come on the u/o to achieve it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getthegat Posted April 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 Cool. Thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 It may just be that your mount is inconsistent, rather than fit. Practise your mount more than you practise anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) I found the 'sweet spot' years ago.......................................having a breakfast in the clubhouse ! 😄 Dependent on the make, your auto may have shims that enable you to raise or lower the drop at the heel. Edited April 16, 2020 by Westley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 If all you see is the bead then you’re in all kinds of trouble. Modern thinking (quite rightly) says you ought to set things up so that you see some rib, the amount depends on all manner of things and if you’re not experienced enough to dial it in correctly yourself it makes perfect sense to employ the services of a proper coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 46 minutes ago, Hamster said: If all you see is the bead then you’re in all kinds of trouble. Not sure I agree with that totally. Some degree of rib is preferable in my opinion, but much depends on how you shoot. I have a couple of guns which give me a very flat sight plane when mounted, but because I know where they print it’s not a problem. Crossing birds for example are simply blotted out and speed of swing takes care of lead. On the trap guns I own I see loads of rib, but again, because I know where they print, it’s also not a problem. With these, crossing birds are in view at all times, but speed of swing still takes care of lead. It’s just a case of getting use to a particular gun in my opinion, and I’ve even set up a flat shooting sporter with an adjustable comb to give me the same sight plane I see with a trap gun. Those who shoot just one gun, are usually pretty consistent shots ( given everything else is correct, mount, footwork etc ) because they have thoroughly become familiar with a particular gun. Consistency of mount is more crucial in my opinion, than ones view down the rib. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 hello, anyone read The Art of Good Shooting by Ruffer ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, anyone read The Art of Good Shooting by Ruffer ? It's on my bookshelf! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: It's on my bookshelf! hello, maybe you can say what he said on sighting a shotgun, i gave my copy away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 I will dig it out later and post it up. Busy day today, washing, cleaning, shopping, cooking and a little DiY too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I will dig it out later and post it up. Busy day today, washing, cleaning, shopping, cooking and a little DiY too. hello, that will be good, had 3 jobs today, shopping/ cleaning/mending shower, so far done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 23 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, anyone read The Art of Good Shooting by Ruffer ? Great read mines in Oz trying to educate some friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 Had a run in with Ruffer in the early 80's . Tried to to tell me that by not cleaning the black of the flats of a shotgun barrel would stop it closing properly . Other family members were just as bad . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 46 minutes ago, Gunman said: Had a run in with Ruffer in the early 80's . Tried to to tell me that by not cleaning the black of the flats of a shotgun barrel would stop it closing properly . Other family members were just as bad . hello, oh that was understandable gun man, little knowledge of shotguns, but the book still helped my shooting back in the 1970s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 On the subject of books, one of the best instructive books I’ve read on shotgun shooting, is ‘Positive Shooting’ by he whom must not be named. It really is a good book in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Scully said: On the subject of books, one of the best instructive books I’ve read on shotgun shooting, ....... I am a fan of Stanbury and Carlisle (there are two or three books). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Gunman said: Had a run in with Ruffer in the early 80's . Tried to to tell me that by not cleaning the black of the flats of a shotgun barrel would stop it closing properly . Other family members were just as bad . His work was such that the need to clean everything was ingrained. But is that the black OFF the flats or the BACK of the flats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.C Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said: I am a fan of Stanbury and Carlisle (there are two or three books). I have Shotgun and Shooter and Clay Pigeon Marksmanship on the bookshelf. Must give them another browse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted April 20, 2020 Report Share Posted April 20, 2020 21 hours ago, wymberley said: His work was such that the need to clean everything was ingrained. But is that the black OFF the flats or the BACK of the flats? We re blacked a set of barrels for him on a Spanish sidelock that was in my opinion bought in the white as it had never been hardened . After blacking I polished the lumps and face, lapped the bores as normal , however I did not clean the black off the barrel flats as it is cosmetic and the flats were well blacked . Ruffer complained that this would hold the barrels off face and the gun would not close correctly . I told him that there has to be a clearance gap between the barrel and action flats , which he disputed , and that the black would make no difference at all and was a matter of preference and would polish the flats if it made him happy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 20, 2020 Report Share Posted April 20, 2020 hello, always remember my spanish side by sides got a lot of blacking on the barrel flats, made no difference to closing the action, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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