True origin of Covid

[12gauge82]

I'm no conspiracy theorists, however, It would appear there is some solid evidence of the virus originating from the Chinese lab in China, there has been conspiracy theories about this from the beginning but now both American and now the UK government are openly questioning the possibility of this.

[oldypigeonpopper]

hello, there is one in Wuhan ? have a google

[12gauge82]

1 minute ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

hello, there is one in Wuhan ? have a google

Yes it's 20 miles from where the Chinese proclaimed the virus originated and to my knowledge is the only facility of its type in China, in 2018, I think the Americans raised concerns of bat Corona virus testing. If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's usually, a duck!

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Well if that is where it started and it could be proved, then I suspect the Chinese will be getting some pretty big bills coming their way!

[oldypigeonpopper]

4 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Yes it's 20 miles from where the Chinese proclaimed the virus originated and to my knowledge is the only facility of its type in China, in 2018, I think the Americans raised concerns of bat Corona virus testing. If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's usually, a duck!

hello, i dare say those who work in this lab have had gagging orders if that is the correct word,

Edited April 17, 2020 by oldypigeonpopper

[Mice!]

1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Well if that is where it started and it could be proved, then I suspect the Chinese will be getting some pretty big bills coming their way!

I hope it's only Bill's being sent??

1 minute ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

hello, i dare say those who work in this lab have had gagging orders if that is the correct word

By gag do you mean a bag and a bullet? I probably watch too much telly.

[oldypigeonpopper]

6 minutes ago, Mice! said:

I hope it's only Bill's being sent??

By gag do you mean a bag and a bullet? I probably watch too much telly.

hello, i would not put anything past the Chinese government to silence people, it is a Virology lab in Wuhan, as a side note the USA gave a 3.7 million $ grant

Edited April 17, 2020 by oldypigeonpopper

[SpringDon]

Well that’s me convinced, after all no other country in the world has a microbiology lab performing viral research. (Apart from all of them).

Although I’m slightly puzzled why they went to all the effort when antigenic drift and shift would (eventually) do the work for them. Still you never know, dammed inscrutable those Chinese.

[Dogs]

8 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

hello, i dare say those who work in this lab have had gagging orders if that is the correct word,

They dissapered several weeks ago acording to rumours ?

[henry d]

Ah but, it also started in a lab in America, near fort Detrick iirc, they had a cease and desist order from CDC. Then some soldiers from there went to the world army games at Wuhan, DELIBERATELY to infect the Chinese and cause them irreparable economic damage.

However it has been proved that it is not man made, so if it looks like a natural virus, acts like a natural virus, then...

5 minutes ago, Dogs said:

They dissapered several weeks ago acording to rumours ?

Must be true then!

[oldypigeonpopper]

Just now, Dogs said:

They dissapered several weeks ago acording to rumours ?

hello, oh maybe i will change to did work !! as i said i put nothing past this new Government,

[fatchap]

There are lots of corona viruses, this one is a new one though some say there are two strains one deadly one not doing the rounds. 

So if this was made in a lab by an evil genius then would it be safe to say they took the time to also develop a cure or vaccine?

[12gauge82]

I'm not implying this is anything other than a natural virus (although I wouldn't rule anything out either). As pointed out by pigeon popper, the Americans and French put money into it, to my knowledge, it's the only level 4 bio facility in whuhan and it has been studying treatment for Corona virus, the Americans and French have been advising them and providing funding, probably due to concerns with the safety of the facility, as raised in 2018, funnily enough specifically with regards to Corona virus testing on bats, put all that together, plus the momentum of noise from both UK and America and it's looking increasingly likely it could have escaped from that lab.

[henry d]

15 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I'm not implying this is anything other than a natural virus (although I wouldn't rule anything out either)

That's all the bases covered then.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

So it might be absolutely ANYTHING!

[SpringDon]

For goodness sake, do you realise there’s about 9 cat 4 labs in the uk? Hundreds in the us? I’m not even sure that corona virus is categorised BSL-4 anyway.

Before the common cold research centre was closed, they had live samples including rhino and corona virus. I can assure you that wasn’t a front for weapons research (although “they” would say that).

[oldypigeonpopper]

22 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I'm not implying this is anything other than a natural virus (although I wouldn't rule anything out either). As pointed out by pigeon popper, the Americans and French put money into it, to my knowledge, it's the only level 4 bio facility in whuhan and it has been studying treatment for Corona virus, the Americans and French have been advising them and providing funding, probably due to concerns with the safety of the facility, as raised in 2018, funnily enough specifically with regards to Corona virus testing on bats, put all that together, plus the momentum of noise from both UK and America and it's looking increasingly likely it could have escaped from that lab.

hello, i agree it makes sense but i cannot ever see the Chinese ever owning up to this

[Raja Clavata]

55 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I'm no conspiracy theorists, however, It would appear there is some solid evidence of the virus originating from the Chinese lab in China, there has been conspiracy theories about this from the beginning but now both American and now the UK government are openly questioning the possibility of this.

Can you share links, please?

[henry d]

17 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

So it might be absolutely ANYTHING!

 

15 minutes ago, SpringDon said:

I  can assure you that wasn’t a front for weapons research (although “they” would say that).

 

14 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

hello, i agree it makes sense but i cannot ever see the Chinese ever owning up to this

No the above makes sense, the first sentence said; "I'm no conspiracy theorists, however..." much like the old lines "I'm not a racist but..." "I'm not one to go round spreading rumours but..." I must check the cognitive biases codex grrclark posted yesterday I'm sure it's on there 😉

[panoma1]

I read China has today, without explanation, upped the total coronavirus death rate in Wuhan, by exactly 50% 🤔 they must have missed a few when counting? 

[12gauge82]

35 minutes ago, henry d said:

That's all the bases covered then.

The whole point is we don't know, I wouldn't rule anything out, including its escaped from a lab, the point to this thread is the lab option, is suddenly looking alot more likely. I'm not sure sure what your point is though.

[Retsdon]

1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said:

but now both American and now the UK government are openly questioning the possibility of this.

...which inclines me to change my original opinion that it might well have come out of the Wuhan lab. From weapons of mass destruction onward you can pretty much guarantee that when the US and Uk governments come out pointing fingers at the same time that it's a pack of lies. 

1 minute ago, panoma1 said:

I read China has today, without explanation, upped the total coronavirus death rate in Wuhan, by exactly 50% 🤔 they must have missed a few when counting? 

I"m sure they did. In the middle of an epidemic it's not easy to keep an accurate running total of stats. For example, the only deaths they count in the UK right now are deaths in hospitals. Do you honestly believe that when this is all over the current UK figures won't be revised upwards at some later date? And when they are - will you be crying conspiracy? 

It's interesting though that the UK is the only country where nobody ever recovers from the virus.  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Strange... you'd have thought that at least the Dear Leader's recovery would have been recorded...

 

[The Heron]

It's a pity that the corona virus isn't like every thing else from China in that it's poor quality badly made and doesn't last very long. 

[walshie]

I don't see how the possibility it leaked from a bio lab is a "conspiracy theory." It's one of a few possibilities.

[panoma1]

4 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

...which inclines me to change my original opinion that it might well have come out of the Wuhan lab. From weapons of mass destruction onward you can pretty much guarantee that when the US and Uk governments come out pointing fingers at the same time that it's a pack of lies. 

I"m sure they did. In the middle of an epidemic it's not easy to keep an accurate running total of stats. For example, the only deaths they count in the UK right now are deaths in hospitals. Do you honestly believe that when this is all over the current UK figures won't be revised upwards at some later date? And when they are - will you be crying conspiracy? 

It's interesting though that the UK is the only country where nobody ever recovers from the virus.  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Strange... you'd have thought that at least the Dear Leader's recovery would have been recorded...

 

50% missed? Thousands of corpses missed? A stat error? Yea right! 

Strange how you always support and find excuses for foreign countries, but always stick the knife in attacking the UK, our government and the current prime minister? 🤔