Thanks Nigel for exposing French migrant assistance

[Rewulf]

15 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

Assisting how?

Im sorry , are you being deliberately obtuse ?

They are committing a crime, and are being escorted by the French navy in the process of committing the crime, this makes them implicit.

If I say Im going to rob someones property , and ask you to drive me there, you are committing a crime by assisting an offender.

[Vince Green]

13 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

To get an idea of the places in the world where there are major immigration issues you really only need to look at where UHCR have permanent offices, I'm not talking about the field missions in places of crisis. My ex worked in the one in Nairobi and currently Cairo, they have offices throughout North Africa and way beyond.

It's kinda ironic that certain people think the UK is a special case, if it wasn't for the fact that we're an island we probably wouldn't have a clue what kind of numbers of illegals are turning up on a daily / weekly / monthly basis.

Whilst I totally get the "shoot the dinghy" line of inner thought, I do find it a bit strange that privileged adults (owners of FACs in the UK) are willing to state in open fora that they think it's an acceptable policy to open fire on the boats. I don't know what the solution is but I know it's not that 🙄

 

I do object to the lifeboats being turned out to check out these people, they are manned by volunteers and funded by public subscription. This is not what they are there for

[Rewulf]

17 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Whilst I totally get the "shoot the dinghy" line of inner thought, I do find it a bit strange that privileged adults (owners of FACs in the UK) are willing to state in open fora that they think it's an acceptable policy to open fire on the boats. I don't know what the solution is but I know it's not that 🙄

Definitely agree with that.

 

18 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

It's kinda ironic that certain people think the UK is a special case, if it wasn't for the fact that we're an island we probably wouldn't have a clue what kind of numbers of illegals are turning up on a daily / weekly / monthly basis.

Its more about land area and infrastructure, France has the same population but twice the land mass, much of it better quality than the UK .
It also has a huge problem with low quality migration, so its not really that the UK is a special case, its more about our resources are more finite than others.

[Retsdon]

18 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

hey are committing a crime, and are being escorted by the French navy in the process of committing the crime, this makes them implicit.

No, rather it's you who is being obtuse. The French do as much as they can to stop these people putting to sea - see my link above. But if they get out to sea in these unseaworthy inflatables  - what is that you want the French navy to do? They rescue a lot of them https://www.premar-manche.gouv.fr/communiques-presse?annee=2019 The ones that won't be rescued they watch until the British rescue them.

The difficulty s that the people who put these migrants to sea in these deliberately unseaworthy boats know international maritime law better than we do. 

 

 

Edited May 22, 2020 by Retsdon

[derbyduck]

7 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

I do object to the lifeboats being turned out to check out these people, they are manned by volunteers and funded by public subscription. This is not what they are there for

WELL they won't be funded by any more off my money and they will have to rattle the can a bit louder when iv'e done with em on facebook & twitter ! this post has opened my eyes about the type of poster on here ,there seems group that can only see thier own agenda and it always ends up being a contest to see who can urinate the farthest !  I suggest you get your head out of your harish and look at the bigger picture .

[TRINITY]

19 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZl1eBU4Qx0

Vince, I know all about that,I had a house in the murcia region . That area provides most of the UK salad crops. I also know the pickers are nearly all immigrant labour. Mainly morrocan and other north Africans. Many started moving into the village where I had my house and the place started to go down hill, so I sold up and moved further north. 

However, your clip trys to make people sorry for them. Dont forget they weren't arrested like slaves and shipped over, they came to Spain of their free will and can leave anytime they like. The ones carping on about their squalid accommodation are most likely illegals and the Spanish are exploiting them there is no doubt. However can you blame them, they should not be there anyway and if they are not happy go back. The legals from Morocco are usually given housing . Many were housed in the village where I lived. Decent homes that the Spanish vacated when the moroccans moved in. It's a massive problem in certain areas as they totally overwhelm the local services. However as bad as they are making it out and moaning, many more continue to flock into certain areas. I dont blame the Spanish one little bit for trying to make the lives of the illegals as unattractive as possible. Also on all fairness the legal labourers get accommodation, their families join them. They get health care and schooling for their kids. Your clips are nothing more than left wing,bleeding heart liberal propaganda. Sorry Vince,that's how I see it and speak from first hand experience.

[old'un]

49 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

To get an idea of the places in the world where there are major immigration issues you really only need to look at where UHCR have permanent offices, I'm not talking about the field missions in places of crisis. My ex worked in the one in Nairobi and currently Cairo, they have offices throughout North Africa and way beyond.

It's kinda ironic that certain people think the UK is a special case, if it wasn't for the fact that we're an island we probably wouldn't have a clue what kind of numbers of illegals are turning up on a daily / weekly / monthly basis.

Whilst I totally get the "shoot the dinghy" line of inner thought, I do find it a bit strange that privileged adults (owners of FACs in the UK) are willing to state in open fora that they think it's an acceptable policy to open fire on the boats. I don't know what the solution is but I know it's not that 🙄

 

And there was me thinking it would give them time to get off the dingy before it sank, back to the drawing board, what about a spear then?  

 

[Rewulf]

11 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

The French do as much as they can to stop these people putting to sea

Delusional, every migrant off loaded to the UK , is one less migrant robbing and assaulting French citizens, take a look at the people coming over, 90% 20 something men.

You need to rephrase , the French do as  LITTLE as they can to stop them coming over here, and when they do , its because we pay them 10 s of millions a year to do so.

16 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

The difficulty s that the people who put these migrants to sea in these deliberately unseaworthy boats know international maritime law better than we do. 

Theyre only unseaworthy when you put 30 people in a boat made for 6 !
They could make a boat out of egg cartons and they French would scoop them up outside a French harbour and drop them in UK waters, radioing ahead to warn us to get the blankets warmed up !
If you think thats because human traffickers know more about maritime law, then you are as I say, delusional.

If you do ever come back here to live, you might find its a bit different from what you remember 

[TRINITY]

2 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Delusional, every migrant off loaded to the UK , is one less migrant robbing and assaulting French citizens, take a look at the people coming over, 90% 20 something men.

 

Perfectly true, however I dont know if anyone else ever takes a close look at these boats. Yes they are all young males except they all seem to contain 1 nominal female or child. This probably to provide a bleeding heart photo opportunity for the liberal left media.

[Retsdon]

Just now, Rewulf said:

Theyre only unseaworthy when you put 30 people in a boat made for 6 !

That's why they do it. International maritime law mandates that vessels give assistance and rescue people in danger. So leaving these people to almost certain drowning is against international law. You think the traffickers don't know this?

3 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

They could make a boat out of egg cartons and they French would scoop them up outside a French harbour and drop them in UK waters,

Utter rubbish. You just made that up out of your head. In real iife, the French scoop dozens of  these people out of the ocean on a daily basis and take them back to France!  https://www.premar-manche.gouv.fr/communiques-presse

But of course, why let real life spoil a good xenophobic moaning-sesh ...

[TRINITY]

2 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

That's why they do it. International maritime law mandates that vessels give assistance and rescue people in danger. So leaving these people to almost certain drowning is against international law. You think the traffickers don't know this?

Utter rubbish. You just made that up out of your head. In real iife, the French scoop dozens of  these people out of the ocean on a daily basis and take them back to France!  https://www.premar-manche.gouv.fr/communiques-presse

But of course, why let real life spoil a good xenophobic moaning-sesh ...

Retsdon

Do you know how far out into the channel the French waters reach. I am certain you can tell me. Can you also tell me why the french seem unable to stop the maritime law breaking craft with all the modern technology at their disposal whilst they are still in French waters. 

[Rewulf]

4 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

But of course, why let real life spoil a good xenophobic moaning-sesh ...

You see this is the problem, you cant say anything about immigration, even illegal immigration , without getting called something like that.
So we cant have a discussion in any meaningful way , because you cant see the other side, you dont want to , maybe because you have a Thai wife, or the xenophobic UK government wont let you do as you wish, I can assure you, I am no xenophobe, and probably less racist than yourself.

7 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

Utter rubbish. You just made that up out of your head. In real iife, the French scoop dozens of  these people out of the ocean on a daily basis and take them back to France!  https://www.premar-manche.gouv.fr/communiques-presse

Heres a good xenophobic piece from breitbart, probably all lies Im sure 

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/05/21/transponder-data-proves-farage-right-on-french-handover-of-illegals/

[Rewulf]

There you go , if you cant stomach reading it 😀

“This French patrol vessel, the Aramis, had been shadowing this migrant boat pretty much from the moment it left the beach near Calais and for two hours until it crossed into UK territorial waters. It didn’t, from what we could see, make any efforts to intercept the migrant boat.”

[Raja Clavata]

52 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

I do object to the lifeboats being turned out to check out these people, they are manned by volunteers and funded by public subscription. This is not what they are there for

I agree 100%.

49 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Definitely agree with that.

Its more about land area and infrastructure, France has the same population but twice the land mass, much of it better quality than the UK .
It also has a huge problem with low quality migration, so its not really that the UK is a special case, its more about our resources are more finite than others.

I get that but it's not just about France, as far as I know there aren't a lot of 'em arriving in France as their point of entry into Europe.

PS - I'm aware of different versions of infinity, didn't realise there are varying degrees of finite too 😛 

[Retsdon]

6 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

ou see this is the problem, you cant say anything about immigration,

I'm not talking about immigration. I'm talking about your uncalled for attack on the French.

I read the Breitbart piece. Again, what is it you want the French to do? Do you want them to sink the dinghy? Do you want them to launch a boat of their own and try force people into it? If the dinghy keeps pushing on towards the English coast, short of violence there's not a lot the French can do. And if, in the course of trying to turn the dinghy around, a bunch of migrants were to be drowned at sea - who's going to be to blame? 

The UK grants refugee status to those who are unable to live in their own country for fear of persecution because of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or other factors such as sexual orientation. A successful application usually allows someone leave to remain for five years with the opportunity after that to apply for indefinite leave to remain .https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46758600 

There's your [problem right there. An 'asylum seeker' in one of these boats has far, far more chance of getting leave to remain in the UK than does my missus. All he has to do is say he's gay. \Build it and they 'll come' as the man said.

And that's got nothing to do with the French.

[ditchman]

i think this is one of the most entertaining topics ive ever read............

[Rewulf]

 

1 minute ago, Retsdon said:

And that's got nothing to do with the French.

Im afraid it has, as they are at the very least assisting in the criminal acts of the traffickers, but you seem to be perfectly happy to let said traffickers continue their business unmolested ?
Human misery , exploitation, abuse , extortion, all the things the traffickers perpetuate, how about we arrest every last one of them until they give up, or it becomes non cost effective.

How much does that RIB and motor cost ?
Is it confiscated ?
The French are shadowing the boat , in the dead of night , how is that guaranteeing the safety of the passengers in the RIB ?
At what point is it safe to disembark the illegals ?
You do nothing, and that trickle WILL become a torrent, absolutely guaranteed.
If youre ok with that fine, Im not.

13 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I get that but it's not just about France, as far as I know there aren't a lot of 'em arriving in France as their point of entry into Europe.

I should imagine with multiple open land borders , no one really knows how many are moving through , or stopping in France.

The authorities probably only know about them when they decide to stay and claim something, or commit a crime.

[Scully]

2 hours ago, Retsdon said:

Well, typical Farange he implies lots. Not sure what actually said. What I saw on that video was the French navy monitoring those little dinghies until the occupants were picked up by the British. There was nothing to suggest that the French were 'escorting' them' any more that Farange in his fishing boat was escorting the lot he motored alongside for most of the length of the clip. Rather, they monitor them in case the stupid **** end up in the drink.

I'll say it again. Once these death traps are at sea the French have two choices. One, try and effect a capture of these people in the middle of the ocean which would certainly end up with people getting dronwned, or two,  stand by and observe until the British turn up in case their boat gets swamped and they all end up in the middle of the Channel.  

Anyway, who picks them up? The British. And you can bet any money that the reason there's been an increase in this small craft gambit is not because the French navy keeps an eye on them until they reach the middle of the Channel. It's because the British navy comes and collects them! If it didn't there's none of them would make it ashore. So why blame the French?

 

 

 

 

 

So let me get this straight.....you state he implies a lot but you're not really sure what he actually said. But you're sure enough of what he said to state he implies a lot! Really? So I'll ask again, is Farage lying? 

Can I assume your use of the term xenophobia means you're intent on shutting this thread down? 

Your claim that if the British didn't pick them up none would make it ashore simply isn't true, and as a contribution to stop the illegal trafficking of people in this manner, I would like to see those British craft which do pick up migrants ( as evidently the French are incapable of doing ) returning them to the coast of France. 

As an aside, I wasn't aware that our Lifeboats, a charity to which many public donate, were also used in this manner. I may have to rethink my donation. 

Is Farage lying? 

[Vince Green]

54 minutes ago, TRINITY said:

Vince, I know all about that,I had a house in the murcia region . That area provides most of the UK salad crops. I also know the pickers are nearly all immigrant labour. Mainly morrocan and other north Africans. Many started moving into the village where I had my house and the place started to go down hill, so I sold up and moved further north. 

However, your clip trys to make people sorry for them. Dont forget they weren't arrested like slaves and shipped over, they came to Spain of their free will and can leave anytime they like. The ones carping on about their squalid accommodation are most likely illegals and the Spanish are exploiting them there is no doubt. However can you blame them, they should not be there anyway and if they are not happy go back. The legals from Morocco are usually given housing . Many were housed in the village where I lived. Decent homes that the Spanish vacated when the moroccans moved in. It's a massive problem in certain areas as they totally overwhelm the local services. However as bad as they are making it out and moaning, many more continue to flock into certain areas. I dont blame the Spanish one little bit for trying to make the lives of the illegals as unattractive as possible. Also on all fairness the legal labourers get accommodation, their families join them. They get health care and schooling for their kids. Your clips are nothing more than left wing,bleeding heart liberal propaganda. Sorry Vince,that's how I see it and speak from first hand experience.

They are only there because the Spanish farmers employ them illegally. If the authorities wanted to stop it they could go after the farmers, but they won't. Just like they won't go after the fishermen who land illegal catches.

In Spain its all about institutional corruption. In the Middle Ages the kings and queens of Spain employed Jews to run the country for them. Why? because they were the only educated people who weren't related to any of the influential families in the areas they administered.

[Retsdon]

5 minutes ago, Scully said:

s Farage lying? 

About what? He says the French navy is 'escorting' these migrant boats. That's an emotive term, deliberately used to imply some  kind of alliance or collaboration like a destroyer 'escorting'  merchant shipping. But in reality, there's no evidence of any kind of collusion at all. Has anyone asked the French why they don't attempt to scupper the progress of these overloaded boats that don't want to be stopped? Or at least, not by the French. How do you stop one of these boats without endangering the people on board? And if the French are so much in the wrong, why do the two naval authorities quite obviously have some kind of agreement

No elections, no EU parliament, no platform, no invites to TV shows. Farange is missing the limelight  So - wave the flag, immigration, illegals, whistle, whistle - wuff! wuff! Can't go wrong  - it works every time.

[TRINITY]

2 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

They are only there because the Spanish farmers employ them illegally. If the authorities wanted to stop it they could go after the farmers, but they won't. Just like they won't go after the fishermen who land illegal catches.

In Spain its all about institutional corruption. In the Middle Ages the kings and queens of Spain employed Jews to run the country for them. Why? because they were the only educated people who weren't related to any of the influential families in the areas they administered.

Vince, you are telling me nothing I dont know. However you dont seem to get it do you. If the daft suckers are stupid enough to enter Spain illegally you cant blame the Spanish for exploiting the stupid idiots. No one forced them to come and no one stopping them leaving, it's their fault and no one else. As for the Spanish government, good on em. Let the farmers exploit them at least they get some financial use for them. The only way to stop an illegal wave is to make it as unpleasant as possible, they then may tell their mates back home that life is Spain is miserable and not a place paved  with gold. Ok Vince it's a cruel crewd method but if they did not do that the influx of immigrants would overwhelm  the country,surely you can work that out,you seem an intelligent poster.

That is the basis we are discussing on this channel thread. There is no way anyone would cross to the UK if opportunities were better in France. However the French are making life miserable for them so as to give them the incentive cross the channel to the comfort we provide in the uk

[TRINITY]

15 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

About what? He says the French navy is 'escorting' these migrant boats. That's an emotive term, deliberately used to imply some  kind of alliance or collaboration like a destroyer 'escorting'  merchant shipping. But in reality, there's no evidence of any kind of collusion at all. Has anyone asked the French why they don't attempt to scupper the progress of these overloaded boats that don't want to be stopped? Or at least, not by the French. How do you stop one of these boats without endangering the people on board? And if the French are so much in the wrong, why do the two naval authorities quite obviously have some kind of agreement

No elections, no EU parliament, no platform, no invites to TV shows. Farange is missing the limelight  So - wave the flag, immigration, illegals, whistle, whistle - wuff! wuff! Can't go wrong  - it works every time.

You seem to know a lot about this, so I will ask you another question. Can you explain why the French having clearly seen a vessel leave French waters. Will not allow the occupants of that vessel once on board a UK boat to return to France. Ok let's accept your argument made previously about them refusing a french rescue, so the french backed off for safety issues. However when safely on board the UK vessel no return is allowed. Although it's obvious to the French the illegals left their country.

[Scully]

6 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

About what? Ah, so now you are sure what he said! Weird eh! 

He says the French navy is 'escorting' these migrant boats. So is he lying when he claims the French are aiding illegal migrants in their cause to get to the UK?

That's an emotive term,( as are accusations of xenophobia, deliberately used to silence opposition ) deliberately used to imply some  kind of alliance or collaboration like a destroyer 'escorting'  merchant shipping. But in reality, there's no evidence of any kind of collusion at all.

Has anyone asked the French why they don't attempt to scupper the progress of these overloaded boats that don't want to be stopped? I have no idea, but there isn't really an incentive is there, once they've been 'safely escorted' into UK waters. 

Or at least, not by the French. How do you stop one of these boats without endangering the people on board? And if the French are so much in the wrong, why do the two naval authorities quite obviously have some kind of agreement I have no idea.

No elections, no EU parliament, no platform, no invites to TV shows. Farange is missing the limelight  Really? Is that not just a biased assumption?  Perhaps he's doing it because it needs pointing out? So - wave the flag, immigration, illegals, whistle, whistle - wuff! wuff! Can't go wrong  - it works every time. Obviously not, if a lack of response is anything to go by. 🙂

 

[Newbie to this]

6 hours ago, Retsdon said:

There are plenty of illegals in Saudi. They get deported when found, but a lot turn straight around and come back again. But it's not such an attractive destination in the long run because it's impossible to ever become a Saudi national. There are no such people as Saudi immigrants, only migrant workers. Even your children won't ever be Saudi. So there's far less upside to getting in country. You'll never be more than an unlucky police check from being out on your ear. 

Sounds like the Saudi's have it right 

[Raja Clavata]

21 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

No elections, no EU parliament, no platform, no invites to TV shows. Farange is missing the limelight  So - wave the flag, immigration, illegals, whistle, whistle - wuff! wuff! Can't go wrong  - it works every time.

I have to say, I 100% agree with this. As predicted, he is playing to his "Thanks Nigel" disciples (narrowly avoided a despicable freudian slip there) whilst trying to remain relevant and current.