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37 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

I have paid my way many times over , you try living on a state pension  , I dont get any hand outs . I dont have enough to pay tax . You can go look somewere else .your getting nothing here .

If you have a state pension that amounts to about one third of the national minimum wage for a 40 hour week and if you were  in a normal job (not a high paid, out of touch with reality, ex civil servant on a gold plated pension that was boosted not robbed by Gordon Brown) you might be getting twice that again from your private/works pension, you might just be achieving the national minimum wage.  At this you will already be paying tax  on a third of that, and here we have someone saying tax them higher:mad:

 

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3 hours ago, oowee said:

I see where your coming from but the furlough scheme is there for everyones benefit. 

But it isn't - my wife has had jack during lockdown (self employed cleaner) - believe it or not - under the self employed at least - it doesn't cover everyone. She was only earning about £1k a month but there was crossover with her previous work etc... so has paid and still has to pay a load of tax (the old in advance) which has at least been put off until next January. Not covered for unemployment benefit (or whatever it is nowadays) either because of me although she gets no reduction in taxes because of it...

With that argument all Students should get their University fees paid - as it is for the future of the country (excluding oligy's in David Beckham etc  :D ).

The people to benefit from Furlough are the people that got Furlough. I am a member of a group on Facebook for some particular tool brand - all you see are people (self employed) buying up the tools like there are no tomorrow and then saying about how they can't wait to get back to work to use them - professing that it is the government money they are using to buy them.

I do know that there are others that are on Furlough that are not like that and will be indeed struggling etc.. but it is their jobs that have been saved. 

However, as it currently stands, all the key workers etc.. are going to have their taxes increased to pay for this (along with everybody else including me and I have worked the whole of the lockdown albeit remotely)

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14 minutes ago, discobob said:

But it isn't - my wife has had jack during lockdown (self employed cleaner) - believe it or not - under the self employed at least - it doesn't cover everyone. She was only earning about £1k a month but there was crossover with her previous work etc... so has paid and still has to pay a load of tax (the old in advance) which has at least been put off until next January. Not covered for unemployment benefit (or whatever it is nowadays) either because of me although she gets no reduction in taxes because of it...

With that argument all Students should get their University fees paid - as it is for the future of the country (excluding oligy's in David Beckham etc   ).

The people to benefit from Furlough are the people that got Furlough. I am a member of a group on Facebook for some particular tool brand - all you see are people (self employed) buying up the tools like there are no tomorrow and then saying about how they can't wait to get back to work to use them - professing that it is the government money they are using to buy them.

I do know that there are others that are on Furlough that are not like that and will be indeed struggling etc.. but it is their jobs that have been saved. 

However, as it currently stands, all the key workers etc.. are going to have their taxes increased to pay for this (along with everybody else including me and I have worked the whole of the lockdown albeit remotely)

Re read the post. Even if you did not get or were not elligable for the scheme you (supposedly)  benefit by keeping UK plc afloat. Personaly I think the Govt got it wrong but if you support Borris then we are all in it together so we should all pay the cost. 

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2 minutes ago, oowee said:

Re read the post. Even if you did not get or were not elligable for the scheme you (supposedly)  benefit by keeping UK plc afloat. Personaly I think the Govt got it wrong but if you support Borris then we are all in it together so we should all pay the cost. 

I think that I actually agree with you now you have put it in those terms :) - I am not a supporter of Boris as I feel he has stumbled through all of this - he is a one trick pony - brexit - which I wanted buuuuut.....New Labour was the conservatives dressed in red - New Conservatives are labour dressed in blue - now that may get some backs up.....

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1 minute ago, discobob said:

I think that I actually agree with you now you have put it in those terms  - I am not a supporter of Boris as I feel he has stumbled through all of this - he is a one trick pony - brexit - which I wanted buuuuut.....New Labour was the conservatives dressed in red - New Conservatives are labour dressed in blue - now that may get some backs up.....

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On 16/06/2020 at 08:23, Raja Clavata said:

 

I agree that by being an illegal immigrant you have undertaken criminal activity but do you really think that a criminal cannot also be a victim, I mean across the board or do you only reserve that judgement for immigrants?

When the container full of vietnamese / chinese turned up in Essex last year, you didn't feel the people inside were victims of something horrific?

Just realised I hadn’t got back to you on this. 
I don’t think any of those in that container deserved to die, and genuinely feel sorry for them. Having said that, they CHOSE to enter the country illegally, and I believe that once you take that decision to go down the illegal route for any gain, you open yourself up to all manner of unpredictable consequences. Just as Floyd did in America and that lad featured on the news the other night, crippled after falling from a wall as a result of being tasered. All were acting outside the law, but none deserved to die; they are simply victims of circumstances brought about by illegal acts on their part. Sad, but ultimately true. 
 

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49 minutes ago, Scully said:

Just realised I hadn’t got back to you on this. 
I don’t think any of those in that container deserved to die, and genuinely feel sorry for them. Having said that, they CHOSE to enter the country illegally, and I believe that once you take that decision to go down the illegal route for any gain, you open yourself up to all manner of unpredictable consequences. Just as Floyd did in America and that lad featured on the news the other night, crippled after falling from a wall as a result of being tasered. All were acting outside the law, but none deserved to die; they are simply victims of circumstances brought about by illegal acts on their part. Sad, but ultimately true. 
 

Thanks for getting back on this, agreed 👍

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On 21/05/2020 at 23:22, Dave-G said:

I doubt any of our press would have reported on the French assistance of cross channel illegal migrant invasion if it weren't for Nigel Farage showing them up from a presumably hired fishing boat.

I've often suggested they must be getting support or blind eyes of some sort from the french who justifiably want rid of them - whilst delightfully adding to UK overheads.

The amount of official skulduggery involved is breathtaking - naval escorts from both countries - and I've heard about helicopter monitoring elsewhere - can't remember where.

Claimed threats (hopefully recorded for evidence) that filming proof of the handover will result in boarding of the observer vessel. Lets hope this corruption sees upper echelon heads roll.

One can only hope this opens the eyes of some naive anti Brexit supporters.

So what is the status of Brexit? 

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13 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

So what is the status of Brexit? 

Seems to me our government are determined to maintain a sly back door migrant entry system that colludes with French naval escorts - which the mainstream media don't want to expose in any depth.

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4 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

That is absolutely shocking. Like farage said, we need to make it clear, anyone entering the country illegally will be sent packing. It would soon stop them coming which is also for their own good.

 

I'm 100% aligned with the sentiment on this but I still haven't seen a coherent response as to where we are supposed to "send them packing" to?

Hypothetically speaking, if lifetime imprisonment here in the UK is perceived to be a "better" life than where they come from then even that in itself is not a deterrent plus we couldn't afford to implement that either.

I don't know what the answer is, I had always thought that international development and foreign aid was intended to try to bring everywhere up to a bearable state but that in itself seems like mission impossible. I'm pretty sure though the answer does not reside in anything that can be done between Calais and our coast.

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49 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

Seems to me our government are determined to maintain a sly back door migrant entry system that colludes with French naval escorts

You can't blame either the British or the French authorities for complying with international maritime law. T

The problem is that the migrants, or at least the people selling them places on these boats, know how to exploit the loopholes in these laws.

What's to be done about it is open to debate, but creating a false narrative of collusion or treachery as Farange is doing is not the way to go. But Farange loves the limelight doesn't believe in letting inconvenient facts get in the way of a good story. It's par for the course really... 

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24 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

You can't blame either the British or the French authorities for complying with international maritime law. T

The problem is that the migrants, or at least the people selling them places on these boats, know how to exploit the loopholes in these laws.

What's to be done about it is open to debate, but creating a false narrative of collusion or treachery as Farange is doing is not the way to go. But Farange loves the limelight doesn't believe in letting inconvenient facts get in the way of a good story. It's par for the course really... 

I'd actually have some respect for Farage if he was lobbying both countries to create a joint force going after the traffickers but collaboration doesn't generally seem to be his style.

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42 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

You can't blame either the British or the French authorities for complying with international maritime law. T

The problem is that the migrants, or at least the people selling them places on these boats, know how to exploit the loopholes in these laws.

What's to be done about it is open to debate, but creating a false narrative of collusion or treachery as Farange is doing is not the way to go. But Farange loves the limelight doesn't believe in letting inconvenient facts get in the way of a good story. It's par for the course really... 

Whatever the truth behind this story, Farages pointing out of inconvenient facts to the EU parliament is well documented. 

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1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said:

I'm 100% aligned with the sentiment on this but I still haven't seen a coherent response as to where we are supposed to "send them packing" to?

Hypothetically speaking, if lifetime imprisonment here in the UK is perceived to be a "better" life than where they come from then even that in itself is not a deterrent plus we couldn't afford to implement that either.

I don't know what the answer is, I had always thought that international development and foreign aid was intended to try to bring everywhere up to a bearable state but that in itself seems like mission impossible. I'm pretty sure though the answer does not reside in anything that can be done between Calais and our coast.

Very true. I think the only sensible way would be to make the UK a far less attractive place to come, the migrants would then stop coming here. The problem then is leaving the door open for genuine refugees and still treating people like human beings, it could become a race to the bottom. I really don't know what the answer is, but something needs to be done.

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Just now, 12gauge82 said:

Very true. I think the only sensible way would be to make the UK a far less attractive place to come, the migrants would then stop coming here. The problem then is leaving the door open for genuine refugees and still treating people like human beings, it could become a race to the bottom. I really don't know what the answer is, but something needs to be done.

Agree, I think accepting it's a complex issue with no likely quick fix is key. Right now the only way forward I can see is a kind of "denial of service", remove the traffickers by whatever means is necessary, and I really do mean by whatever means. These people are no better than terrorists as far as I'm concerned.

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Just now, Raja Clavata said:

Agree, I think accepting it's a complex issue with no likely quick fix is key. Right now the only way forward I can see is a kind of "denial of service", remove the traffickers by whatever means is necessary, and I really do mean by whatever means. These people are no better than terrorists as far as I'm concerned.

Often there are no quick fixes for complex issues.

It's one the far right often pulls, make people believe there's a simple fix and blame the problem on a group, the brain dead will run with it all day.

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3 hours ago, Retsdon said:

You can't blame either the British or the French authorities for complying with international maritime law. T

The problem is that the migrants, or at least the people selling them places on these boats, know how to exploit the loopholes in these laws.

What's to be done about it is open to debate, but creating a false narrative of collusion or treachery as Farange is doing is not the way to go. But Farange loves the limelight doesn't believe in letting inconvenient facts get in the way of a good story. It's par for the course really... 

We'll have to disagree on what constitutes collusion while the french accompany the clearly dangerously overloaded inflatables to UK waters and our authorities create an exclusion area and threaten anyone videoing the transfer.

2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

I'd actually have some respect for Farage if he was lobbying both countries to create a joint force going after the traffickers but collaboration doesn't generally seem to be his style.

Ha - looks to me like the 'traffickers' are both governments, you can keep your blinkers on if you feel you must. 

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1 hour ago, Dave-G said:

We'll have to disagree on what constitutes collusion while the french accompany the clearly dangerously overloaded inflatables to UK waters and our authorities create an exclusion area and threaten anyone videoing the transfer.

Ha - looks to me like the 'traffickers' are both governments, you can keep your blinkers on if you feel you must. 

How do you work that out - the traffickers being both governments I mean, not me being blinkered?

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2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

How do you work that out - the traffickers being both governments I mean, not me being blinkered?

UK are supposed to be paying France to stop the migrants yet the French navy accompany the overloaded dingy's  risk free and on hand if they capsize which encourages migrants to chance it. UK border control meets them halfway and warn off any observers. 

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On 24/05/2020 at 11:40, Retsdon said:

Like what? That I try and avoid contributing to the local police benevolent fund when stopped and shaken down along with everyone else on a motorcycle passing through the day's random money-earning checkpoint? Do I assume you'd rather pay up?

Anyway, I didn't say it was right. I just said it works. 

Hello, I have first hand experience of the above 🙄 and I was just a passenger in the car, I have seen the shake down of moped riders none were of Thai origin, 100 baht fines straight in the cops pocket, 

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