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9 hours ago, Gunman said:

Webley and Scott made guns for so many makers , big names and some that you will never of heard of . Before the Trade Discriptions Act in the early 70's guns for the likes of Wm Evans John Dickson , Bland  ,Cogswell and Harrison left the W & S factory fully finished bearing the names mentioned . After the TDA  they had to be marked as "made for " . This would be on the rib or under the forend the action signed with the name of the name of the "maker ".  Many guns left the factory in the white as barreled actions , some stocked  to be finished by the purchaser . 

I once tried to record all the companies Webley made guns for but still occasional came across a Webley actioned gun that I had not previously seen .

Evans , Lang ,Atkin , Dickson , Cogswell, Chubb , Westley Richards , Churchill, Holland & Holland , Fletcher , Bland , Linsley , Army & Navy , to name but a few .

 

Thank you for all the information! Indeed it's very interesting! I would love to see a PHD grade work on the subject!!! Such an interesting and full of history discipline!!!

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11 hours ago, old'un said:

Interesting, thank you, as you say it was staggering the amount of guns they produced and not just for the UK market.

Its such a shame the way the Birmingham gun quarter was ripped apart and is now but a shadow of its former self, spent many an hour around the quarter in my younger days (60s/70s) always popped in to see Ben Wild (if he wasn’t in the pub) you just had to hope you caught him in one of his good moods, Brian virtually runs the business now manly barrel blacking, he did some barrels for me not long ago and did a cracking job, just wonder how long the remaining businesses can survive.

 

 

Thanks again for the info, always something new to learn. :good:

Dont quite know what the situation is at Wild,s .Whether or not Brian will be able to continue trading under the Wild name as their were other family members involved , Ben's Daughter who I think did book work . 

It is a great shame the way the trade has declined but the reasons are many . It is also a disgrace that as the Gun Trade put Birmingham on the map so to speak , yet there is not one street or building named after any of the great names associated with the Gun Trade add the fact that subsequent councils have tried to expunge this part of Birmingham's history from the records including trying to have all mention of the "Gun Quarter removed  as it "would make visitors to the City think it was a criminal area " .

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Hello, lots of interesting posts and information, 👍  Army and Navy shotguns have an interesting history as well, sadly English gun making has been in decline for many years when in the 1960s you could see a full gun makers row at the game fair  spend time watching engraver, stocker, barrel maker, etc  I use to spend hours in the Oxford gun shop Venables

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On my attempt to restore the gun, I find out that is a Linsley Brothers made! Thanks again for the answers! 

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Linsley Bros. sold it but who made it is still a mystery .I have worked on a   Linsley side lock that was made by Robertsons of London , the then owners  Boss and the gun was identical to a Boss  in every way .

Webley and Scott made guns for them , so I will assume that they bought/commissioned  guns from numerous sources over time , down to price and demand .

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Probably, this is the case (W&S), commissioned to Linsley Bros. It's good though I found a name on it. I ll have to re-registrate it now, since on the shotgun papers for the moment is written as "unknown brand"

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I dont believe the gun was made by W & S . It would have had a number   on the action and barrels and locks  that related to a W&S order /record  , Linslely's number would have been additional if requested .

W&S made thousands of guns of different types over the years and needed to have the parts numbered for internal identification during manufacture as different parts went to different sections for heat treatment , metal colouring ,engraving etc. so needed ID No's . 

Even guns that were made specifically for someone having left the factory with the name and number of that "maker" would have a Webley number or part of it on some of the internal parts .

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