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2 hours ago, Scully said:

We’re not going to agree. 
I can’t see how the police could take a dim view really, when logic and common sense dictates all manner of other sales which can and are taking place.
You don’t have to ‘ go cocking around’ in anyone’s house to buy a shotgun, you just need to apply common sense and logic to any given situation, which is also a valid assessment of someone’s character in my opinion. 

Still verbatim as per restrictions..

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19 hours ago, Scully said:

That’s just silly! Go on then, describe to me how the process of buying or selling a shotgun puts anyone more at risk than buying say, groceries, a lottery ticket, a pair of boots or a freshly made sandwich. 

You don’t have to have a license to purchase boots or sandwiches 

is it that important to buy or sell a gun at the moment 

   sense  common or not dictates that the less you travel and meet people especially those who you don’t know will put a end to the pandemic sooner 

obviously there’s less risks in some areas and more in other’s 

along with the local constabulary interpretation of the rules
personally think you need to ask for the opinion of the local licensing officer before you get into a transaction 

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46 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

You don’t have to have a license to purchase boots or sandwiches 

is it that important to buy or sell a gun at the moment 

   sense  common or not dictates that the less you travel and meet people especially those who you don’t know will put a end to the pandemic sooner 

obviously there’s less risks in some areas and more in other’s 

along with the local constabulary interpretation of the rules
personally think you need to ask for the opinion of the local licensing officer before you get into a transaction 

Gordon Bennett! I’m not really sure what the relevance is regarding a license and buying sandwiches! 
This entire thing is getting tedious to be honest. 
If no one can apply the same logic to buying a shotgun as they do to buying anything else, then perhaps they DO need babysitting, and SHOULD seek the permission of their local police before doing anything or venturing anywhere. Talk about a nanny state! 
Give me strength. 

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1 hour ago, Scully said:

Gordon Bennett! I’m not really sure what the relevance is regarding a license and buying sandwiches! 
This entire thing is getting tedious to be honest. 
If no one can apply the same logic to buying a shotgun as they do to buying anything else, then perhaps they DO need babysitting, and SHOULD seek the permission of their local police before doing anything or venturing anywhere. Talk about a nanny state! 
Give me strength. 

Ok let’s put common sense to the test 

your selling a gun 

all these people want to buy it who do you pick

dentist 

undertaker 

school teacher 

farrier 

all can be there all have the money 

pick the one least risk to sell it to face to face 

assuming it is okay to ask them there occupation 

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I would sell or to/from any of them. Gloves and mask worn by both parties, pop up table outside to do the exchange of paperwork on, items exchanged quaranteened for at least a week, table bleached. At least 2 metres seperation at all times.

I believe that that will far exceed the precautions most folk are taking with their shopping from what I have seen and heard.

I am with Scully just use common sense which in this case means taking proper precautions.

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Just now, 243deer said:

I would sell or to/from any of them. Gloves and mask worn by both parties, pop up table outside to do the exchange of paperwork on, items exchanged quaranteened for at least a week, table bleached. At least 2 metres seperation at all times.

I believe that that will far exceed the precautions most folk are taking with their shopping from what I have seen and heard.

I am with Scully just use common sense which in this case means taking proper precautions.

I’m sure you would 

now with common sense pick one 

 

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Any of them. Why would I need to know their occupation? 
I work in people’s houses on a daily basis; I don’t ask them what their line of work is first. They offer me cups of tea or coffee ( which I kindly refuse ) but while I’m in there I’m using their sink to clean brushes and I use their toilet and I use their towels to dry my hands. I also use their hoovers at some point .....usually yet another crappy Dyson. 🙂

I bought some boots and cartridges from my local agricultural outlet last week. They have a little tent erected outside their warehouse, which is partitioned off and no members of the general public are allowed beyond it. I was handed the boots and the box of 250 cartridges by a pretty young girl who then took my debit card from my hand ( no gloves on either of us ) and disappeared into the shop, soon to return with my debit card and receipt, which she handed me back with a very nice smile.
( Bear In mind this pretty young thing is a member of the so called snowflake generation who many are keen to belittle....but I’m beginning to wonder which generation it actually is that is more worthy of the title ) . 
I got back in my vehicle and rubbed my hands with sanitiser and drove off. 
Let’s just apply common sense and get on with our lives. 
 

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I do not really see the point of picking one, the top 3 will be low risk because they will be in a very high state of awareness. I have no idea of the risks of a farrier, he or she usually works outside and can easily keep their distance from folk. It does not really matter as long as proper precautions are taken.

I assess the biggest risk in my home as being the shopping. I am absolutely certain that not all shelf fillers will take proper precautions all the time. Nor do the folk shopping. In addition to this plastic is one of the surfaces the virus survives longest on.

The absolute biggest risk I currently have is my journey to and from work and the absolute imbecils driving at ludicrous speeds and putting essential workers lives at risk.

 

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4 minutes ago, Scully said:

Any of them. Why would I need to know their occupation? 
I work in people’s houses on a daily basis; I don’t ask them what their line of work is first. They offer me cups of tea or coffee ( which I kindly refuse ) but while I’m in there I’m using their sink to clean brushes and I use their toilet and I use their towels to dry my hands. I also use their hoovers at some point .....usually yet another crappy Dyson. 🙂

I bought some boots and cartridges from my local agricultural outlet last week. They have a little tent erected outside their warehouse, which is partitioned off and no members of the general public are allowed beyond it. I was handed the boots and the box of 250 cartridges by a pretty young girl who then took my debit card from my hand ( no gloves on either of us ) and disappeared into the shop, soon to return with my debit card and receipt, which she handed me back with a very nice smile.
( Bear In mind this pretty young thing is a member of the so called snowflake generation who many are keen to belittle....but I’m beginning to wonder which generation it actually is that is more worthy of the title ) . 
I got back in my vehicle and rubbed my hands with sanitiser and drove off. 
Let’s just apply common sense and get on with our lives. 
 

Gracious manoeuvre around a direct question😂and it’s just won me £20 as I said you wouldn’t give a direct answer and then you would waffle on at a tangent the type of answer given by someone in a low risk occupation and area 

put them in the order of least risk to you 

 

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5 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

Gracious manoeuvre around a direct question😂and it’s just won me £20 as I said you wouldn’t give a direct answer and then you would waffle on at a tangent the type of answer given by someone in a low risk occupation and area 

put them in the order of least risk to you 

 

‘Gracious manoeuvre’? Really?  😀

Im afraid you’ll have to try harder than that.

I’ll tell you what, as I genuinely don’t mind who I sell to or buy off, why don’t you pick for me which one you believe to be the highest risk, and I’ll go through it bit by bit for the benefit of those who need their hands holding. You can choose whether I’m the seller or buyer.  🙂
And just for your information, South Cumbria is far from a low risk area. Look it up.
 

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6 minutes ago, Scully said:

‘Gracious manoeuvre’? Really?  😀

Im afraid you’ll have to try harder than that.

I’ll tell you what, as I genuinely don’t mind who I sell to or buy off, why don’t you pick for me which one you believe to be the highest risk, and I’ll go through it bit by bit for the benefit of those who need their hands holding. You can choose whether I’m the seller or buyer.  🙂
And just for your information, South Cumbria is far from a low risk area. Look it up.
 

Still no answer and trying to turn the tables 

it’s not that hard pick one of the 4 
you can’t have them all turn up 
 

then go through it remember to take both your masks off to check the photographs on the licenses 

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4 hours ago, Old farrier said:

You don’t have to have a license to purchase boots or sandwiches 

is it that important to buy or sell a gun at the moment 

   sense  common or not dictates that the less you travel and meet people especially those who you don’t know will put a end to the pandemic sooner 

obviously there’s less risks in some areas and more in other’s 

along with the local constabulary interpretation of the rules
personally think you need to ask for the opinion of the local licensing officer before you get into a transaction 

Sorry, OF, I don't think need should come into any of it. None of us NEED to shoot, but we do it. I have been and bought cartridges in the last few days, so I can't see how buying a gun need be more problematic.

7 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

Still no answer and trying to turn the tables 

it’s not that hard pick one of the 4 
you can’t have them all turn up 
 

then go through it remember to take both your masks off to check the photographs on the licenses 

Why would anyone need to wear a mask?

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1 minute ago, motty said:

Sorry, OF, I don't think need should come into any of it. None of us NEED to shoot, but we do it. I have been and bought cartridges in the last few days, so I can't see how buying a gun need be more problematic.

Fair enough 👍  

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I've been sort of following this thread and it seems that there are gun owners out there who are petrified to buy/sell a gun or anything to do with shooting without asking their feo, what is the world coming too?

I only ever speak to anyone in authority once every five years. My advice it tell them nowt.

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12 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

Still no answer and trying to turn the tables 

it’s not that hard pick one of the 4 
you can’t have them all turn up 
 

then go through it remember to take both your masks off to check the photographs on the licenses 

Okeydokey. I’ll pick the farrier; not that I know a lot about their work, but based on what I know about the others and your insistence that I pick the one I think is the least risky, I’ll pick that one.

If I’m the seller and he’s coming to my house I’ll open the door and invite him in, it’s up to him if he wants to shake hands on introduction, I’m easy either way. Neither of us are wearing masks or gloves. 
I then ask him if he wants to wash his hands or offer him some sanitiser, then we’ll exchange tickets and after examining each other’s we’ll throw them on the kitchen table. We’ll be careful at all times to ensure we’re keeping as distant as is practically possible. 
Then I’ll get out the gun in question and hand it to him so he can give it a thorough going over. I can give it a quick rub down prior to him handling if he prefers, but the sanitiser should still be ok at this time. He decides he likes it, and if he has to go back to his vehicle for his slip then he has to wash his hands again on return, or use the sanitiser. 
I fill out his ticket, take a photo of it and hand him it back. He then pays me either by cheque or my SumUp appliance, and we say our thanks and goodbyes, but we’ll probably have the craic about shooting before he leaves. 
I then give my hands and the door handle another wipe with sanitiser, not forgetting to give the SumsUp a quick wipe also. I have enough sanitiser for both of us. 🙂 
This method would apply to any and all of the occupations you specified. We could even do it all outside if the buyer preferred and the weather was suitable. 

29 minutes ago, BlaserF3 said:

I've been sort of following this thread and it seems that there are gun owners out there who are petrified to buy/sell a gun or anything to do with shooting without asking their feo, what is the world coming too?

I only ever speak to anyone in authority once every five years. My advice it tell them nowt.

Ditto. The less they know the better. 

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3 minutes ago, Scully said:

Okeydokey. I’ll pick the farrier; not that I know a lot about their work, but based on what I know about the others and your insistence that I pick the one I think is the least risky, I’ll pick that one.

If I’m the seller and he’s coming to my house I’ll open the door and invite him in, it’s up to him if he wants to shake hands on introduction, I’m easy either way. Neither of us are wearing masks or gloves. 
I then ask him if he wants to wash his hands or offer him some sanitiser, then we’ll exchange tickets and after examining each other’s we’ll throw them on the kitchen table. We’ll be careful at all times to ensure we’re keeping as distant as is practically possible. 
Then I’ll get out the gun in question and hand it to him so he can give it a thorough going over. I can give it a quick rub down prior to him handling if he prefers, but the sanitiser should still be ok at this time. He decides he likes it, and if he has to go back to his vehicle for his slip then he has to wash his hands again on return, or use the sanitiser. 
I fill out his ticket, take a photo of it and hand him it back. He then pays me either by cheque or my SumUp appliance, and we say our thanks and goodbyes, but we’ll probably have the craic about shooting before he leaves. 
I then give my hands and the door handle another wipe with sanitiser, not forgetting to give the SumsUp a quick wipe also. I have enough sanitiser for both of us. 🙂 
This method would apply to any and all of the occupations you specified. We could even do it all outside if the buyer preferred and the weather was suitable. 

Ditto. The less they know the better. 

Well done you just picked the one with highest risk to you 🤔

As for your procedure if you’re happy with it then that’s fine 🙄

although maybe the rules are different in Cumbria as your not allowed people in your house down here 

14% death rate in Cumbria 

13% here so almost on a par 

thanks for the reply 

 

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1 minute ago, Old farrier said:

Well done you just picked the one with highest risk to you 🤔

As for your procedure if you’re happy with it then that’s fine 🙄

although maybe the rules are different in Cumbria as your not allowed people in your house down here 

14% death rate in Cumbria 

13% here so almost on a par 

thanks for the reply 

 

I have no idea if we’re supposed  to go in each others houses or not. As I do it on a daily basis I really don’t give it another thought, and see it being no different to going into a shop. If the buyer prefers we could do it outside.
 

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31 minutes ago, Scully said:

I have no idea if we’re supposed  to go in each others houses or not. As I do it on a daily basis I really don’t give it another thought, and see it being no different to going into a shop. If the buyer prefers we could do it outside.
 

So we have established through common sense 

you picked out the most risky person to sell to and you have not a clue as to the protocols and guidance issued on social distancing and contact with non household members 
 

your occupation seems to make you think it’s ok for someone to come over and have a chat buy a gun etc 

sadly at this moment in time your way off the mark 

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As I said from the outset, I know nothing of the risk a farrier poses, it is irrelevant to me, and even if I were aware of it, why would it have any bearing on my decision to sell them a shotgun or not? 
As for the protocols and guidance issued on social distancing, I apply them in the same manner as I use them on a daily basis, for working, shopping, socialising or whatever. If it’s deemed acceptable for me to use shops in use by thousands of members of the general public, on a daily basis, then common sense and logic dictates I can sell or buy  a shotgun, ammunition, boots, clothes or whatever, by the same method....my occupation has nothing to do with it. 
If you can’t apply a bit of common sense to the situation then we’re in an even worse state than I thought.

People need to get a grip, they really do; they seem to be losing all power of rational thought or incapable of thinking for themselves. 

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5 minutes ago, Scully said:

As I said from the outset, I know nothing of the risk a farrier poses, it is irrelevant to me, and even if I were aware of it, why would it have any bearing on my decision to sell them a shotgun or not? 
As for the protocols and guidance issued on social distancing, I apply them in the same manner as I use them on a daily basis, for working, shopping, socialising or whatever. If it’s deemed acceptable for me to use shops in use by thousands of members of the general public, on a daily basis, then common sense and logic dictates I can sell or buy  a shotgun, ammunition, boots, clothes or whatever, by the same method....my occupation has nothing to do with it. 
If you can’t apply a bit of common sense to the situation then we’re in an even worse state than I thought.

People need to get a grip, they really do; they seem to be losing all power of rational thought or incapable of thinking for themselves. 

I think it’s best we leave it here 

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Yes, Old farrier, leave it there because you cannot win, I feel more worried about catching something at the supermarket rather than  one to one meeting somewhere reasonably some where safe.

I live in South Cumbria by the way.

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42 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

I think it’s best we leave it here 

Nevermind, you’re 20 quid up! 🙂

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35 minutes ago, BlaserF3 said:

Yes, Old farrier, leave it there because you cannot win, I feel more worried about catching something at the supermarket rather than  one to one meeting somewhere reasonably some where safe.

I live in South Cumbria by the way.

It’s not about winning it’s about being aware 

Should where you live make a difference or your job or having someone around shaking their hand inviting them in selling them a gun and a bit of a chat then sending them on there way

as a note I have great respect for Scully and his views on a variety of subjects were just differing a bit on this one 

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Do you really think that we are not aware Old farrier, it's been rammed down our throats for weeks now about keeping your distance and I would not shake hands to be honest, but life has to go on.

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45 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

It’s not about winning it’s about being aware 

Should where you live make a difference or your job or having someone around shaking their hand inviting them in selling them a gun and a bit of a chat then sending them on there way

as a note I have great respect for Scully and his views on a variety of subjects were just differing a bit on this one 

You’re right, it’s not about winning or losing, nor in most cases who’s right and who’s wrong. It’s about getting your point across. 
My job doesn’t make a difference at all, nor where I live, but while I’m allowed to do the things I am, in the current circumstances selling or buying a shotgun is insignificant. 
I’m not currently intending to buy or sell a gun, but the suggestion that you shouldn’t , or can’t, is ridiculous. 
If anyone can tell me why I would be more at risk doing this than I am shopping or working, then I’d like to hear it. 
The respect is mutual, incidentally , I just think the entire situation is becoming thoroughly ridiculous. 

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