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Saw online auto express exposé on the above defender like replacement. Looks good in what can be seen with the disruptive black and white coverings.

BMW 3.0l engines and auto boxes with three diffs beam axles and ladder frame chassis alloy body just like the defender construction.

Nice to see it going to be on the roads and not just a pipe dream that's talked about.

Link to auto express article, there are others by motoring magazines too online.https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-rover/defender/96387/new-2021-ineos-grenadier-roader-spied-first-time

Forgot to add the link yesterday, now edited.

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They`ve been teasing us for months,wish they`d just put an image of the  thing out !!! Sounds good on paper though and begs the question why couldn`t Landrover have done it? 

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I saw the link in an email from guns on pegs.

Like you said basic landy design but with coil springs and I presume power steering.

Land Rover said it was too expensive to re design the defender to modern safety standards, air bags, pedestrian stuff and so on.

So if it's going to be a Landy look a likey, I'll be interested in how they get around the "unaffordable"

I liked the idea of easily repaired or replaced, that appeals to most Landy fans.

It must have a market globally not just for shooting/fishing/farmers but for the Military. 

Can't wait to see it as it's going to be sold and the price.

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G on P just regurgitates what`s been available for months in the motoring press tbh....

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I sincerely hope it’s not just another rich mans plaything, I know a lot of farmers who would jump at this if the price is right 

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have they bought the copyright of the shape.......or are the design rights lapsed/out of date .........how do they get away with that shape...must be some sort of deal.?

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14 hours ago, scouser said:

I know a lot of farmers who would jump at this if the price is right 

And there's the rub.  Can they really knock these out for less than say £25k +VAT and hope to compete with the Jap pickup market?

Plenty of people say they like simple and easily repaired.  But the cold reality is, very few of these people are actually new vehicle buyers.

I don't think a farmer, now used to air-ride seats and air conditioned tractor cabs is going to suddenly want to 'down grade' to a basic, noisy thing just because it reminds them of vehicles past.   And actually, the double-cab pickup, with a proper separate load space, works really well, better than the the Defender station wagon/van load area, 95% of the time.

I say this, by the way, as someone who is slowly rebuilding a project 110.  But I also run a modern pickup.

 

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6 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

And there's the rub.  Can they really knock these out for less than say £25k +VAT and hope to compete with the Jap pickup market?

Plenty of people say they like simple and easily repaired.  But the cold reality is, very few of these people are actually new vehicle buyers.

I don't think a farmer, now used to air-ride seats and air conditioned tractor cabs is going to suddenly want to 'down grade' to a basic, noisy thing just because it reminds them of vehicles past.   And actually, the double-cab pickup, with a proper separate load space, works really well, better than the the Defender station wagon/van load area, 95% of the time.

I say this, by the way, as someone who is slowly rebuilding a project 110.  But I also run a modern pickup.

 

Yup, that sounds right. I love my Landys always have. Had to sell my 59 series 2 when it became too much for me to repair. Both Discos and my 2a went too.

My son runs a Navara double cab for shooting and I've gone back to a Volvo XC70, serviced repaired by Volvo under deal. 

Recently looking for another Landy, thought I'd have a 110 CSW, then reality kicked in. Did I really want a manual gearbox again, poor quality rear seats and a general bone shaker with at best replacement front seats to lessen the back pain.....even if it would last me my lifetime...but garage serviced. OR... should I buy a comfy, warm, air conditioned Jap mobile for about the same price but near on new. Not as capable off road, but for what I need adequate and that's it. Still lovely landies but at the moment the Japs offer the better deal.

Ineos have the idea but if its tricked out like the Japs it'll be too expensive and hard to fix if its not it'll only be welcome by off roaders and green laners who like you say aren't known for buying new.

First ones off the line will have teething problems that's a given so 2 or 3 years in before you get the Mkii. So probably too late for me.

Looks like it's a Japanese terrorist truck for me. Oh the shame.

Good luck with the rebuild, I did a nut and bolt rebuild on my 59 series onto a 2nd hand galvanised chassis. 👍

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All is revealed at last!!! Got to say it has quite familiar lines to it........

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I like it, but if it's £60K when produced (Launch suggested £45K upwards - and they never launch for less) Disco or new Deafener will be a safer bet.

I'm on the waiting list (possibly position 90,003), at truck money or prior Deafener money (+/- £35K) i would have their arm off, at £60K? No chance ...

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On 14/06/2020 at 00:43, udderlyoffroad said:

And there's the rub.  Can they really knock these out for less than say £25k +VAT

 

6 minutes ago, PPP said:

I like it, but if it's £60K when produced (Launch suggested £45K upwards - and they never launch for less)

 

Bingo.  That's the UK agriculture market lost to them then.  Am sure a few Lairds/richer farmers will stump up for one (or rather the bank will), but £45k is still £10k more than a fully-loaded Jap double cab pickup, which will do 80% of everything this will do.

And good luck with European Type approval re pedestrian safety.

Nevertheless, I hope they make a success of it.

 

 

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I'd love it to be an amazing success, especially as we are overdue a (genuine) British car success story.. Who knows, maybe they will depreciate like a Jag and will be a brilliant used buy for £3.50 when 18 months old..

 

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Seen a good video on YouTube today, it looks like a defender and a g wagon had a child and called it Grenadier. Hopefully best of both.

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Just looking in detail at it. I love that split door system at the rear. One of the pains of the original was that the rear door was so much narrower than the width of the car. The 60-40 dividing door on the Grenadier looks so much better for loading.

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I won’t link too it, but there is a “story” in the daily wail that this vehicle is possibly going to be built in France rather than Wales. It seems Daimler are offloading a factory there.

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