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If it doesn't get any better I'll have to try to make an appointment at the Doctors, but till then has anyone ever had anything like this with their knee?

It started yesterday and is slightly better today, but not much. When I get up first thing, or when I've been sitting for a while, the first step on my left leg feels akin to an electric shock going through the front of my knee, The second step is less painful and by about the 4th step it has gone completely and doesn't hurt again till next time I sit down for a while and try to walk again. 

It's got me out of cutting the grass today, so I don't need instant remedies. :lol:

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I would find a good physiotherapist as well as your doctor. I had a problem with ‘shin splints’. GP said to just stop running, football etc. Take up cycling/swimming etc. Booked a private physio session and as soon as I walked in she said “I know what’s wrong with you already, I can see it straight away”. She cut me some insoles to correct my foot roll and gave me a specification to get proper insoles online. She said she would never need to see me again, within days it was sorted and 12 years later that’s still true. Best £80 I’ve ever spent. 

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I'm at that age where I think all my joints ache at some time or another and sometimes it seems all at once.   I now use PERNATON gel, based on green lipped mussel extract.

About ten years ago I had a bad ankle and it was suggested I try the blue lipped mussel tablets. Now, I am a bit of a sceptic with out of ordinary potions but I read up on it and tried a course. Within a week I was walking normally not struggling to walk and I have not had recourse to the tablet form since but always have a tube of Pernatron handy and a couple of days often will ease any pain and stiiffness.   The green lipped mussel is only found between the North & South Islands of New Zealand and the potion has been so succesful it is difficult to actually buy any to consume, they are all processed into medication.  It certainly will do no harm to try it.  Last week my wife complained about a sore knee and she massaged the Pernatron in for a couple of days and is not feeling any pain now.

 

Our member from New Zealand may expand on this.

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Have you spent time on your knees? Either working or obeying Mrs W!!

Seriously though, I recommend a GP appointment soon. Why?

For about 3 wks prior to last weekend I was renovating our flat and decorating at home, much of the time on my knees. Last Sat my arthritic right knee became slightly swollen. Sunday it was like a gala melon, excruciatingly painful and not weight bearing. Mon telephone appointment with GP plus photo's. (No face to face in lockdown) He was concerned about infection and referred me to A&E. 7hrs of X-Ray's, blood sample and drawing 50ml of fluid off of knee for lab tests. They too were concerned about infection. Apparently a seriouse infection can significantly damage a knee joint. In my case it was a significant bursitis problem aka "Housemaids Knee". Drawing off fluid eased the knee movement. Apparently it will be a good week before pain reduces and a further two weeks before the swelling dies down.

so, pse see your doc. HTH

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8 minutes ago, Bobba said:

Have you spent time on your knees? Either working or obeying Mrs W!!

Seriously though, I recommend a GP appointment soon. Why?

For about 3 wks prior to last weekend I was renovating our flat and decorating at home, much of the time on my knees. Last Sat my arthritic right knee became slightly swollen. Sunday it was like a gala melon, excruciatingly painful and not weight bearing. Mon telephone appointment with GP plus photo's. (No face to face in lockdown) He was concerned about infection and referred me to A&E. 7hrs of X-Ray's, blood sample and drawing 50ml of fluid off of knee for lab tests. They too were concerned about infection. Apparently a seriouse infection can significantly damage a knee joint. In my case it was a significant bursitis problem aka "Housemaids Knee". Drawing off fluid eased the knee movement. Apparently it will be a good week before pain reduces and a further two weeks before the swelling dies down.

so, pse see your doc. HTH

Yeah, I intend to. Not been kneeling and there's no swelling or heat from the joint. Probably an age thing but best to get it checked out. 

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Fluid on the knee can best be removed by gently moving the joint for as long as you can - try putting a tennis ball under your foot and rolling it around whilst you watch telly. Alternatively you could take 20mg of Prednisolone and be back chasing Women/Men/Sheep/Rainbows this time tomorrow. 

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First diagnosis will probably be patellofemoral pain syndrome. Its a general term for pain from the knee, the why could be a myriad of things depending on your age and general health. With it going away quickly after getting up to move it could be just general tightness of the muscles above your knee, as they come together at the patella tendon and run over the kneecap to insert on the tibia if things are tightened up it can prevent the smooth moving. Unless you have a tear in the soft tissue an MRI won't show much and unless there's a fracture or a lot of wear and tear on the cartilage then an x-ray won't show much either. If you see a physio or GP I would try to make sure it's a younger one as some older GPs and older physios still like to break out the corticosteroid injections when modern evidence shows they dont work that well. In the meantime give your quadriceps a good stretching regularly to see if it helps.

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55 minutes ago, Rob85 said:

If you see a physio or GP I would try to make sure it's a younger one as some older GPs and older physios still like to break out the corticosteroid injections when modern evidence shows they dont work that well. In the meantime give your quadriceps a good stretching regularly to see if it helps.

And then after 3 months if physio and exercises with it getting worse all the time they decide it is osteoarthritus  and give you the "doesn't work that well" jab that cures it in less than a week😂:whistling:  been there done that:)

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8 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

And then after 3 months if physio and exercises with it getting worse all the time they decide it is osteoarthritus  and give you the "doesn't work that well" jab that cures it in less than a week😂:whistling:  been there done that

There's a big difference in getting a steroid injection for osteoarthritis and one for a soft tissue issue. If they are given for a soft tissue it is usually to ease chronic inflammation, had one in my shoulder for a rugby injury and it done precisely nothing. The reason physiotherapy fails for most people is they don't see quick enough results and get lazy with their regime. Issues with tendons and ligaments take a long time to heal because tendon and ligament tissue has very a poor blood supply so the body doesn't regenerate the tissue the same as it would muscle tissue. If this was osteoarthritis the symptoms would likely get worse with activity and not better as was stated so it's not likely but not out of the realms of possibility. Mind you as its a degenerative condition ive never heard of it being cured before just symptom managed 

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Wimp LOL 

I crash landed onto my left knee had it drained 5 times 6 cortisone injections , told i was getting a new  knee  by the time i was 60 then the specialist says there's still some cartridge in there  see you when your 70 LOL i burst out laughing and she said hows that funny , i turned to the wife and said at least im going to life till im 70 . 

Only thing to do is loose weight and keep moving if i go down on my knees i pull myself up with my arms or shout on my son if hes there to pull me up  

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On 13/06/2020 at 09:34, Dave at kelton said:

You need to see a good physiotherapist. I recommend something about 5’10”, blonde, slim in the waist and big everywhere else. That’ll have you back on your feet in no time😂

 Any recommendations or numbers 

I had house maids knee several years ago . It was like a balloon and all from working on my knees in sawdust in shorts . 

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About a year ago I was having similar problems with my right knee - Xrays, saw the orthopaedic consultant at the hospital who said you are 62, knees have had a good run but are 3 parts worn out.   We can try injections but before that let's try some physio.

TBH I thought I was being fobbed off but duly attended the NHS physio clinic.  One of the first questions 'Megan', the physio asked was 'what outcome are you expecting?', The answer was a fairly solid 'You are between me and some surgery to get my knee fixed'.

The exercises I needed to do three times a day were not onerous or especially painful - basically stretching muscles that hadn't seem much active service for a few decades and that was it, so got on with it - after a couple of weeks the knee became significantly less painful.  So at the next phsio appointment I felt the need to both apologise and acknowledge the professional advice given.   I realise it delays the inevitable  but hospitals are full of really sick people (and associated bugs) so best avoided.

Aside from the above Boots (plus others of course) sell elasticated knee supports and they do work too.   

Earlier this year I got into losing a bit of weight - no crazy stupid diets, just stopped eating bread and potatoes, lost a Stone in about 4 months and it was no hardship either, that helped the knee a lot too. 

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