WalkedUp Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 With the actions of the devolved parliaments being contrary to the will of the UK parliament it has made me think more and more that we need a devolved English Parliament. All states (Scotland, England, Wales and NI) should have the same devolved power and then greater autonomy. Currently the UK parliament is almost seen as synonymous with an English Parliament. England’s needs are also subsumed by concern for the wider UK. I would suggest a ‘third tier’ city (i.e. not Manchester, Birmingham or Leeds) as the host and preferably in a disadvantaged area. Salford has boomed since the BBC was forced to relocate. Some will see this as feeing the force of dissolution of the union, however I would argue that it is protecting the union by separating anti-English agenda from the nationalist’s dealings with UK Parliament. I may run an architecture module on this next year if I’m tutoring in the Master’s again. Any nominations for place to locate or interesting agendas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord v Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 So a state/federalist model? Plenty of options but Germany would be a good one - nation states subsumed into an overarching federal government. And not that long ago either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) The last thing we need is yet another tier of costly bureaucrats and salaried elected placemen! And Prescott suggested it anyway with with regional assemblies for English regions. But the problem you'll always have with anything in the UK is that we have good North to South transport links and appallingly poor East to West transport links. But no we don't need another tier and if we did the old GLC Buulding would suffice if recommissioned or just be done with it and abolish the House of Lords and use that then now otherwise redundant chamber as the "English" Parliament. Edited June 14, 2020 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 41 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: The last thing we need is yet another tier of costly bureaucrats and salaried elected placemen! /\ This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: /\ This And once more, enough is more than enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutt Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 could happen lots of ex M.E.P's out looking for a cushy number (sorry work ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Indeed - we're in the process of getting rid of one parliament (the EU one) - with its rubber-stamping of reams of unnecessary legislation. If we were to do anything, is to implement a proper English votes for English only matters in Westminister. Cost almost nothing. And as for 'Salford' - I can't speak to that, but the BBC Bristol operation appears to have created its own 'bubble' of production companies and hangers-on. Which is great, until you remember that all of these people are sucking on the teet of the licence fee, so not actually generating wealth. Unless you count the profits BBC worldwide makes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 It's a no from me too. Interested in the link to architecture you made, would you be tendering for the design of a new building or is this an academic study along the lines of "applying modular architecture patterns to UK governance" 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 21 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said: If we were to do anything, is to implement a proper English votes for English only matters in Westminister. Cost almost nothing. This -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 I'd rather see power bought back to Westminster and devolved government done away with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: I'd rather see power bought back to Westminster and devolved government done away with. ^^^This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, scutt said: could happen lots of ex M.E.P's out looking for a cushy number (sorry work ). Oh! And I thought that was why elected Mayors and elected Police and Crime Commissioners were created? And don't even get me on the House of Lords. Which we should certainly now abolish and replace with something more directly accountable. Give ex-MPs their titles if they want but don't then give them £350 a week to sit on red leather benches in addition to a nice fat MPs pension. Edited June 14, 2020 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greylag Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: I'd rather see power bought back to Westminster and devolved government done away with. What a good idea.The Welsh government being Labour run seems hell bent to do something different to the Westminster government just to make a statement.We in Wales are still in lockdown ,with restrictions on travel and shopping,and no easing in sight.Retail and tourism going down the tubes but the first minister and his tribe are happy they are doing it differently to Westminster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouser Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: Give ex-MPs their titles if they want but don't then give them £350 a week to sit on red leather benches in addition to a nice fat MPs pension. i thought it was that a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted June 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 I would be in favour of rolling back devolution fully to have sovereignty back in Westminster, but can’t see it happening. With the current system the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Parliament are prototypes of full independence. The system is dysfunctional and will not last. I would like to engineer an outcome that ensures the survival of the union, rather than resist change and allow it to collapse. Evolution not revolution. 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: It's a no from me too. Interested in the link to architecture you made, would you be tendering for the design of a new building or is this an academic study along the lines of "applying modular architecture patterns to UK governance" 😛 🤣 No, they wouldn’t trust civic architecture to a regional practice. My involvement would be purely theoretical even if it came to fruition. The focus would be on the architecture of democracy - just as a nice change from medium scale urban residential projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Oh. Yes you are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 As others have stated, another pointless level of overpaid idiots supping at the trough! I would be more inclined to suggest sorting out what we already have. If your country has devolved get out of Westminster! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Its a No from me to . I actually cringe when i watch Prime Minister's Question time I think do we pay these CLOWNS for this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted June 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 What’s the next model then? I’m interested in alternatives. Could be pointless replicating what we already have and are unhappy with. What works well? I assume we can all happily discount the American system. Presidential democracy is the most dangerous export the US have. I’m quoting the West Wing 🤣 but maybe misquoting as it’s at least 20 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bavarianbrit Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Blame the USA for the federal German 16 state system as they pushed it through after WW2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Quote Presidential democracy is the most dangerous export the US have. We appear to be a long way down the road. Years ago, the parties published their manifesto and held meetings to explain and answer questions. fast forward to last few elections which have become very presidential. One the one side - Boris, the maverick, womaniser, part time fibber and more vaudeville than serious politician. On the other side - Jezzer - serial liar, friend of any terrorist, nepotistic, lacking any personality, with very dodgy friends and lacking any credible policy No wonder the Tories won. By the next election, I predict that Boris will have gone, whilst the Labour party will be led by Gordon Brown's successor in the charisma stakes - Keir Starmer. The Tories could run a stuffed dummy against Starmer and still hope to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Should we try benign dictatorship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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