The Heron Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 Just read in the shooting times about a Spanish co called shooting star in that they have produced a12 gauge cartridge that can be either lead or steel game or clay with a cardboard wad and a biodegradable case 70mm, if this is correct then what a wake up call for the manufacturers over here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 Shooting star are the UK importers they also import RC cartridges. The cartridges you refer to are made by jocker cartridges using what looks like a fibre tube wad similar to what gamebore invented and owned the patient which has possibly expired. Think the selling price will be around the £400.00 mark. Which is twice what I want to pay for clay cartridges, but may help basc with its voluntary move away for lead shot and non biodegradable wads for live quarry shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 I'm sure we used to be able to buy Biodegradable cartridges over here - few years back now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicblue Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 (edited) Just bought carts from Claverdon Cartidges near Warwick - I saw the Spanish carts with biodegradable cases along with fibre wad - was a game load - 32grm. I also bought a slab of Jocker's new fibre-wad which includes a shot-cup as part of the wad itself, image below. Available in 12g - 24 and 28grm 7.5s, I'll try them tomorrow and report back... Price-wise I think it was £215/1000 for the 24gr and £220/1000 for the 28grm Edited June 25, 2020 by Cosmicblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Cosmicblue said: Just bought carts from Claverdon Cartidges near Warwick - I saw the Spanish carts with biodegradable cases along with fibre wad - was a game load - 32grm. I also bought a slab of Jocker's new fibre-wad which includes a shot-cup as part of the wad itself, image below. Available in 12g - 24 and 28grm 7.5s, I'll try them tomorrow and report back... Price-wise I think it was £215/1000 for the 24gr and £220/1000 for the 28grm Thats pretty good. I will give them a try too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Cosmicblue said: Just bought carts from Claverdon Cartidges near Warwick - I saw the Spanish carts with biodegradable cases along with fibre wad - was a game load - 32grm. I also bought a slab of Jocker's new fibre-wad which includes a shot-cup as part of the wad itself, image below. Available in 12g - 24 and 28grm 7.5s, I'll try them tomorrow and report back... Price-wise I think it was £215/1000 for the 24gr and £220/1000 for the 28grm they look to be lead shot? Are they doing them in steel shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicblue Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 1 hour ago, rbrowning2 said: they look to be lead shot? Are they doing them in steel shot? Defo lead - as for Steel I have no idea...you could give them a call? 01926 843503 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 Surely paper cased cartridges are biodegradable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 6 hours ago, Perazzishot said: Surely paper cased cartridges are biodegradable? Not if the wad is non biodegradable like a standard one use plastic wad, easy to pick up the case for recycling not so easy to do likewise with a wad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rabbit Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 7 hours ago, Perazzishot said: Surely paper cased cartridges are biodegradable? I've never understood the clamour over paper cased cartridges. At the base of the case there remains a dirty great lump of plastic so they still need to go through recycling or landfill. They won't rot away. All the disadvantages of a paper hull with no advantage! Oh, and they cost more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 https://www.hullcartridge.co.uk/game/cartridges/three-crowns-12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 Its about time plastic developers get a biodegradable plastic hull, without steel/ brass hulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 3 hours ago, White Rabbit said: I've never understood the clamour over paper cased cartridges. At the base of the case there remains a dirty great lump of plastic so they still need to go through recycling or landfill. They won't rot away. All the disadvantages of a paper hull with no advantage! Oh, and they cost more! I don’t know what the base wad was at the bottom of the old paper cased cartridges with Eley ‘Kleena’ wads (biodegradable) but I am pretty sure it wasn’t plastic. It was black and fibrous looking, and all that was left after time was the brass head, later steel. And what do you imagine was used before they invented plastic? I dunno either, but prewar cartridges worked just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 35 minutes ago, Perazzishot said: https://www.hullcartridge.co.uk/game/cartridges/three-crowns-12 And? Lead shot in them so not compliant with BASC vision of a biodegradable cartridge with non toxic shot. still waiting to see one of them for around £230.00 per 1000. mission biodegradable case Biodegradable wad 32 to 36gm? Non toxic shot (steel I guess) £230.00 per 1000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rabbit Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 28 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said: And? Lead shot in them so not compliant with BASC vision of a biodegradable cartridge with non toxic shot. still waiting to see one of them for around £230.00 per 1000. mission biodegradable case Biodegradable wad 32 to 36gm? Non toxic shot (steel I guess) £230.00 per 1000. The link may have been aimed at me. They contain plastic as all the other paper loads I've handled do. I remember the old eley cases well and the base was as London Best described. It appeared to be almost spun around the primer and did degrade. I imagine they'd no longer be commercially viable. WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 Many Federal 10g hulls have paper basewads …. so the 'technology' is there ….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rabbit Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, Smokersmith said: Many Federal 10g hulls have paper basewads …. so the 'technology' is there ….. That's interesting to know. I assume it's a pressed component inserted into the tube. Things in cartridge manufacturing will certainly be interesting in the coming years. WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hofk Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) Claverdon Cartridges have quite a selection of the New Bio Sport Jocker cartridges in Lead 24g and 28g and 21g Steel. Edited June 26, 2020 by hofk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) Gentlemen, before we all get our panties in a twist . Shooting Star are importing Biowad from Spain BUT apparently it takes about two years for the case to decompose ???? Yesterday the NEWS on all the channels highlighted that the UK is exporting tonnes of plastic to Turkey , where they burn it on open rubbish tips . May I suggest that BASC and others come out from under their tortoise shells , leave shooting sports alone and fund research into the safe disposal of plastic waste ? A far greater threat to our environment than lead shot . Edited June 26, 2020 by Salopian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicblue Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) On 25/06/2020 at 17:52, Cosmicblue said: Just bought carts from Claverdon Cartidges near Warwick - I saw the Spanish carts with biodegradable cases along with fibre wad - was a game load - 32grm. I also bought a slab of Jocker's new fibre-wad which includes a shot-cup as part of the wad itself, image below. Available in 12g - 24 and 28grm 7.5s, I'll try them tomorrow and report back... Price-wise I think it was £215/1000 for the 24gr and £220/1000 for the 28grm So shot 50 of these in one pocket this morning at Edgehill with 50 of the 26Grm Fiocchi Litespeed in the other pocket using my Blaser F3. If you have tried the Litespeed jobs then you might have noted that they are quite 'sharp' in the shoulder but very effective - the Jocker Bio Sport 24s feel the same and crush targets equally well out to very respectable distances, I shall have more. Edited June 26, 2020 by Cosmicblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 Can you cut a jocker cartridge open and post picture of contents, would be could to see, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 On 26/06/2020 at 12:32, White Rabbit said: The link may have been aimed at me. They contain plastic as all the other paper loads I've handled do. I remember the old eley cases well and the base was as London Best described. It appeared to be almost spun around the primer and did degrade. I imagine they'd no longer be commercially viable. WR. I'll be honest that doesn't look like plastic. It look like densely compressed card at the base. I stand to be corrected. I can't find out from any website either way so it might be worth a call to Hull to verify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rabbit Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Perazzishot said: I'll be honest that doesn't look like plastic. It look like densely compressed card at the base. I stand to be corrected. I can't find out from any website either way so it might be worth a call to Hull to verify. Seeing as it's raining and I'm bored! It's definitely plastic. WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hofk Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) Just cut this Jocker Bio Sport open 24g Lead. Shot 24g lead and the 21 Steel this morning and both shoot very well. Edited June 28, 2020 by hofk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 Am I missing something. What is the point of a bi-degradable case if the metal remains. Instead of picking up plastic cases and disposing of them properly, are we supposed to leave these on the floor to degrade over two years - leaving the metal base? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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