redial Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 Now it's down to poor living conditions and iffy wifi. As said before how many safe countries have these asylum seekers crossed to get here and now this tragedy. We have been are own worst enemy, milk and honey come and get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 I totally missed the bit about a quick reaction force member being mistaken for a terrorist. They wear what we all do and only put the kit on when the need arises. That's how they go unnoticed until they have to, and how they generally sort things pretty quickly. Acquiring a military grade firearm, body armour, helmet etc as a pretence to commit an attack would be over egging it a bit given its demonstrably possible to do so with intent and a knife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hod Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 28 minutes ago, Zapp said: I totally missed the bit about a quick reaction force member being mistaken for a terrorist. They wear what we all do and only put the kit on when the need arises. That's how they go unnoticed until they have to, and how they generally sort things pretty quickly. Acquiring a military grade firearm, body armour, helmet etc as a pretence to commit an attack would be over egging it a bit given its demonstrably possible to do so with intent and a knife. Have to agree, this seemed a bit of an odd thing to pick up on from today's tragic events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Fuddster said: Having worked with many ex marines and other services, I have much more faith in our armed services to respond accordingly I said marines because I know 45 commando are based in Scotland, as things are at present I can't see what I've said happening, but look at the London attacks, if someone is running down the street, armed and a few lads come out of a pub and see him? Something saying police stops the wrong person possibly getting shot, even just a cap, it would be tragic. 1 hour ago, Fuddster said: As for casual dress-well perhaps he was on plain clothes duties, coming or going on/off duty, training staff or called in from home. I imagine so, I'd just expect once your armed being under cover is gone. And yes it certainly was a job well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) Quote As for casual dress-well perhaps he was on plain clothes duties, coming or going on/off duty, training staff or called in from home. either way its a job well done in my books .They would not be trusted to be armed going on duty, they would first need to go to the station to get firearms. Edited June 26, 2020 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted June 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 18 minutes ago, Zapp said: They wear what we all do and only put the kit on when the need arises. That's how they go unnoticed until they have to, and how they generally sort things pretty quickly. I was thinking much the same thing. We know from the last shooting of a terrorist that these guys are following or at least being kept alert as to the movements of those on the watch list. In that case they're clearly going to be in plain clothes. I remember spotting a couple of plain clothes coppers on the M1. Unmarked car, no uniform, they would have gone completely unnoticed but for the Police baseball caps on the dash lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, ordnance said: .They would not be trusted to be armed going on duty, they would first need to go to the station to get firearms. Trusted? You do know in northern Ireland some officers Carey personal protection weapons, both on and off duty. They are "trusted" 7 minutes ago, ordnance said: .They would not be trusted to be armed going on duty, they would first need to go to the station to get firearms. And I think zapp was referring to going on duty, i.e walking in to the station before it kicked off and deploying with a gun before they had time to change in to uniform Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 13 minutes ago, Mice! said: I said marines because I know 45 commando are based in Scotland, as things are at present I can't see what I've said happening, but look at the London attacks, if someone is running down the street, armed and a few lads come out of a pub and see him? Something saying police stops the wrong person possibly getting shot, even just a cap, it would be tragic. I imagine so, I'd just expect once your armed being under cover is gone. And yes it certainly was a job well done. All afo's and sfo's are designated a personal identifier to id them in force and at a national level-denoting their home force,collar number and shift/team-the exception being for sfo's having no collar numbers. If its a firearms operation, hard helmets prevail over soft caps-unless its surveillance led or the flying squad. Discreet arming can be maintained until the very last moment for maximum gain. atb f. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 4 hours ago, McSpredder said: Blue jeans, red T-shirt, sub-machine gun. How would one know whether it was a terrorist or a police officer? That’s not a sub-machine gun. That’s a Mk18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 23 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said: That’s not a sub-machine gun. That’s a Mk18 Diemaco C8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, Zapp said: Diemaco C8 The C8 cqb would have a 11.6 barrel would it not? That appears to be a 9in rail if you follow the flash hider back it looks like the barrel ends about a inch after the rails which would put it at the 10.3 inch length. I reserve the right to be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 The front end looks like an AR15 platform to me but the butt seems wrong? I have a LA-SF15 stubby which looks very similar except the butt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: The front end looks like an AR15 platform to me but the butt seems wrong? I have a LA-SF15 stubby which looks very similar except the butt. It’s a pdw style stock. But it’s definitely a Ar15 platform. Magpul magazine and all. Probably 556. Is 300 bulk popular over there? Edited June 26, 2020 by NoBodyImportant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 18 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said: The C8 cqb would have a 11.6 barrel would it not? That appears to be a 9in rail if you follow the flash hider back it looks like the barrel ends about a inch after the rails which would put it at the 10.3 inch length. I reserve the right to be wrong. It looks like a C8 (L119A1/2) with a different butt to me and that's issued to UKSF. Not sure about CT police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Zapp said: It looks like a C8 (L119A1/2) with a different butt to me and that's issued to UKSF. Not sure about CT police. I kinda like it. I never owned a pdw stock. I have heard they are awful for cheek weld but they are compact and cool looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) My local town had a Army Unit on standby if firearms were required and based in a local barracks. For some reason the local plods had been stood down. Used to have a mate who was MOD security at the barracks.. Edited June 26, 2020 by redial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 There's a big difference between local units on standby and these guys, it would need to be absolute national meltdown before regular soldiers were sent into this sort of situation because it's not what they are trained for. They'll either be SO19 or SF/SFSG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 13 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said: It’s a pdw style stock. But it’s definitely a Ar15 platform. Magpul magazine and all. Probably 556. Is 300 bulk popular over there? That explains it👍 14 minutes ago, Zapp said: It looks like a C8 (L119A1/2) with a different butt to me and that's issued to UKSF. Not sure about CT police. Along with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, Zapp said: There's a big difference between local units on standby and these guys, it would need to be absolute national meltdown before regular soldiers were sent into this sort of situation because it's not what they are trained for. They'll either be SO19 or SF/SFSG. It was around the same time as a local PC had been shot. Perhaps this was the reason it was put in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 hour ago, ordnance said: .They would not be trusted to be armed going on duty, they would first need to go to the station to get firearms. Quote Trusted? You do know in northern Ireland some officers Carey personal protection weapons, both on and off duty. They are "trusted" Yes they should be trusted / but they are not. All not some, police officers in N/I carry on and off duty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 45 minutes ago, Zapp said: There's a big difference between local units on standby and these guys, it would need to be absolute national meltdown before regular soldiers were sent into this sort of situation because it's not what they are trained for. They'll either be SO19 or SF/SFSG. With that in mind, I know the cats out of the bag, but to not add to it, maybe the picture could be taken down or the guy's face blanked out? 25 minutes ago, ordnance said: 1 hour ago, ordnance said: .They would not be trusted to be armed going on duty, they would first need to go to the station to get firearms. Yes they should be trusted / but they are not. All not some, police officers in N/I carry on and off duty. Well I don't think it's a trust issue, more a is it required issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: With that in mind, I know the cats out of the bag, but to not add to it, maybe the picture could be taken down or the guy's face blanked out? Or he should have his face covered, if he does not want identified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) Quote Well I don't think it's a trust issue, more a is it required issue. That would be one reason among others mostly political. Makes you wonder why most European police force's are armed, when they might not require them any more that the UK. They are not required until they are, like if you are standing unarmed outside parliament and you are murdered by a knife man, while your well protected superior is hiding in his car. Edited June 26, 2020 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said: The C8 cqb would have a 11.6 barrel would it not? That appears to be a 9in rail if you follow the flash hider back it looks like the barrel ends about a inch after the rails which would put it at the 10.3 inch length. I reserve the right to be wrong. 10 inch barrel! They also make an 11.6" version. Personally I don't care what the Officer in the red T shirt is wearing, he responded putting his life in danger for the safety of the populace. Edited June 27, 2020 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 7 hours ago, ordnance said: That would be one reason among others mostly political. Makes you wonder why most European police force's are armed, when they might not require them any more that the UK. They are not required until they are, like if you are standing unarmed outside parliament and you are murdered by a knife man, while your well protected superior is hiding in his car. Police by consent in the uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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