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21 minutes ago, peejay said:

hes an absolute disgrace

What exactly do you propose to replace the police with? No viable alternative yet exists. I for one would not welcome the UK become a guinea pig for this bizarre utopian idea. If you read The Selfish Gene, Dawkins explains that individuals breaking the societal or selective rules (e.g. monogamy, the law) is not just expected within a system but vital to a system to operate successfully. You need people to break rules and a mechanism to be punished for doing so. 

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43 minutes ago, oowee said:

You support defunding the police? Shame on you. 

 

22 minutes ago, WalkedUp said:

What exactly do you propose to replace the police with? No viable alternative yet exists. I for one would not welcome the UK become a guinea pig for this bizarre utopian idea. If you read The Selfish Gene, Dawkins explains that individuals breaking the societal or selective rules (e.g. monogamy, the law) is not just expected within a system but vital to a system to operate successfully. You need people to break rules and a mechanism to be punished for doing so. 

I'm pretty sure he's saying Keir is a disgrace for kneeling. Not for not wanting to defund the police. 

Admittedly though you could take the reply either way.

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6 minutes ago, Mice! said:

Does no one else think he's a disgrace for kneeling despite not agreeing with the polices??

Seems like a cheap point scoring opportunity to me.

Like large numbers of the Labour party he's just a virtue signaling twit. Feel free to alter the vowel in that last word.

The funny thing is he's just sacked RLB for posting that tweet when in all likelihood she wasn't fully in support of everything in it.  Now he's effectively done the same thing.

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I appreciate the photo op looks awkward and contrived, but surely what he said makes complete sense? He may sound like a drunk womble but what he says usually makes sense. I listened to him on Radio 4 and it was painful in the extreme, every other word was “erm”. I cannot believe that it is beyond the wit of the Labour Party to pay for some private speech therapy for him. 

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Just to clarify... I am not a Labour voter (obviously) but I am also not a dyed in the wool fanatic. If one supports a party unquestionably then perhaps following football rather than politics would be more appropriate? 

1 minute ago, Mr_Nobody said:

That's because it is. 

Raab refusing to kneel suddenly looks like the smarter move eh?

What Raab said was painful too. Boris Johnson just refusing to be drawn into it is the smartest move. 

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4 minutes ago, WalkedUp said:

 

What Raab said was painful too. Boris Johnson just refusing to be drawn into it is the smartest move. 

Yes Raab should never have issued that extra statement.

2 minutes ago, oowee said:

Thats something you don't see in a sentance very often. 🙂 

Neither is an "a".

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11 hours ago, Mice! said:

Does no one else think he's a disgrace for kneeling despite not agreeing with the polices??

Seems like a cheap point scoring opportunity to me.

Isn't it all nowadays #Iwantonthebandwagonandtolooktotallywoke

Like all the presenters/pundits on TV wearing the badges etc... as I noticed at the weekend (BBC I think)

According to that cross section 100% of them fully support BLM - righto

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3 minutes ago, discobob said:

Like all the presenters/pundits on TV wearing the badges etc

A number are now backtracking on this - as they have now twigged to the fact that the UK BLM lot are basically a front for the extreme left wing anti capitalist movement.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8478305/Sky-Sports-pundit-Patrice-Evra-led-way-DITCHING-Black-Lives-Matter-badge.html

 

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5 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

A number are now backtracking on this - as they have now twigged to the fact that the UK BLM lot are basically a front for the extreme left wing anti capitalist movement.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8478305/Sky-Sports-pundit-Patrice-Evra-led-way-DITCHING-Black-Lives-Matter-badge.html

 

Yep - I saw this on the other thread - just that I came to this one first :)

Good on them but perhaps they should have looked into it first before riding the gesturing wave  

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41 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

A number are now backtracking on this - as they have now twigged to the fact that the UK BLM lot are basically a front for the extreme left wing anti capitalist movement.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8478305/Sky-Sports-pundit-Patrice-Evra-led-way-DITCHING-Black-Lives-Matter-badge.html

 

Interesting article,  I wondered how long it would be before things became unravelled. 

12 hours ago, Mice! said:

Does no one else think he's a disgrace for kneeling despite not agreeing with the polices??

Seems like a cheap point scoring opportunity to me.

So the Labour leader kneels the day after BLM put out tweets about Israel,  normal service has resumed. 

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Just now, Mice! said:

Interesting article,  I wondered how long it would be before things became unravelled.

The various 'extreme end' organisations, left and right, are always looking for areas that have public support/sympathy/capture the interest - and will try and tap into these streams to raise funds and gather support.  The left have tended to lean towards Extinction Rebellion, Anti Capitalist and Green issues, the right towards anti immigration, anti paedophilia, 'nationalism' etc.  They are not really interested in the actual cause - but can raise huge funds by manipulating the situation.  BLM has raised millions in the last few months, much of which will not be used to fight racialism, but to further more general left orientated causes.

There are a few hard left/right individuals who's actual aim is to bring down the present reasonably central and tolerant society in which we live and replace it with something that would not be out of place in Orwell's 1984.

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