Gislane Maxwell F.B.I.

[Mickeydredd]

Round 1

No squealing yet.....

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/ghislaine-maxwell-pleads-not-guilty-to-procuring-girls-for-jeffrey-epstein/ar-BB16JauS?ocid=msedgntp

[old man]

On 10/07/2020 at 21:37, ehb102 said:

Yes, they do it openly, and when they are called on it, we are called transphobic or worse. See Munroe Bergdorf, former NSPCC champion, breaking all child safety guidelines by encouraging children to message him privately? That's why he was fired from the NSPCC. But that didn't get mentioned in any interview, nor did any interviewer challenge him on it. 

Peter Tatchell, PIE (Paedophile Information Exchange) sympathiser, defending his friends, not bothering about women and children, refusing to condemn child rape and promoting actions that make children unsafe. 

Amy Challenor, Green Party candidate and Stonewall Trans advisor, was quite happy to have "her" father, David Challenor, child rapist act as her election agent after he was convicted, using his address as the green party base in Coventry. That's the Stonewall board advising schools about removing protective same sex boundaries. If you see "Stonewall" on anything around your school now then red alert. And I used to give them money.

All those men insisting that women are transphobic because they don't want male bodied people with penises undressing in changing rooms in front of their daughters. How is that not paedophilic enabling? Because there are a heck of a lot of men out there who get a kick out of violating women's boundaries, saying you can't throw me out of these women's loos because I'm trans. The argument goes back and forther that these aren't "real" trans, but if you say anyone who says they are a women is a woman, then you can't disqualify these awful men.

And PornHub. Far too easy to find videos of young girls, sometimes really, really young, being raped. Not one, not two, but too many to count, because you can't wade through that site. 

Anything that talks about "underage sex". It isn't "underage sex", it's child rape.

Child sex dolls. The whole point of them is that they look like a child. That's the thrill. And they make pain noises.

It's in plain sight now, and it's getting worse, and every time I speak up about it I get dismissed with some trope about being a fat, ugly feminist who needs a ****. Maybe, but I am  NOT is an apologist for child rapists.

 

Spot on!

[Scully]

Regardless of what I think about Maxwell, I find it harsh that she was denied bail and is remanded in custody until her trial next year. She hasn’t been found guilty yet, and it’s not like she couldn’t be found if she absconded, an act which would condemn her and ultimately seal her fate. 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

10 minutes ago, Scully said:

Regardless of what I think about Maxwell, I find it harsh that she was denied bail and is remanded in custody until her trial next year. She hasn’t been found guilty yet, and it’s not like she couldn’t be found if she absconded, an act which would condemn her and ultimately seal her fate. 

After being "off the radar" for over a year and having bought that house under an alias, yes no risk of her running away!

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

yes no risk of her running away!

The whole Maxwell family were brought up by their father (probably bullied up by their tyrannical father would be more accurate) - who was a deceitful and devious individual who trusted no one.  Those (mainly the pension fund stakeholders) who had to trust him paid the price.

It would be very risky to think she would be any more trustworthy than he was.

[Scully]

12 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

After being "off the radar" for over a year and having bought that house under an alias, yes no risk of her running away!

She may well run away, but like I said, that would seal her fate, and there’s not many places she could hide, so would soon be found.  As yet, and as far as I’m aware, she isn’t guilty of anything. 
I think anyone on here would be pretty miffed to be locked up for the best part of a year without a trial. 
We are pretty quick to condemn people without a trial, yet just as quick to scream of injustices. 
If she was charged with murder, then I could understand it, but she isn’t, and if she is indeed found guilty then I’d gladly lock her up and throw away the key, but until found guilty.......just saying. 

[grrclark]

2 minutes ago, Scully said:

She may well run away, but like I said, that would seal her fate, and there’s not many places she could hide, so would soon be found.  As yet, and as far as I’m aware, she isn’t guilty of anything. 
I think anyone on here would be pretty miffed to be locked up for the best part of a year without a trial. 
We are pretty quick to condemn people without a trial, yet just as quick to scream of injustices. 
If she was charged with murder, then I could understand it, but she isn’t, and if she is indeed found guilty then I’d gladly lock her up and throw away the key, but until found guilty.......just saying. 

Agreed.  The essential principle of our justice system is innocent until proven guilty.  Of course if there is a significent risk of flight then it is not unreasonable to take precautions, but there are other ways of doing that other than presuming guilt and keeping someone locked up for a year.

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, grrclark said:

Agreed.  The essential principle of our justice system is innocent until proven guilty.  Of course if there is a significent risk of flight then it is not unreasonable to take precautions, but there are other ways of doing that other than presuming guilt and keeping someone locked up for a year.

It is a difficult situation; she is a well connected and apparently very wealthy person, so it would probably not be hard for her to 'do a runner' if not locked up.  Then after what (may or may not have) happened in connection with Epstein's death, there must also be concerns there.  There might also be concerns about 'getting at' witnesses?

[Mickeydredd]

If she was going to run then she could easily have done so before now.  She would more likely "disappear" like her father.

[Guest]

This article explains exactly why she is being kept imprisoned.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/02/national/france-will-not-extradite-ghosn-arrives-country-government/#.Xw9vfhL9ncc

One of the, at least, 3 passports she holds is French. She has a house near the Canadian border so it's not unreasonable to think she could make her way to France via Canada.

Lots more good points made in this video.

 

[Gordon R]

She makes a deal or dies in prison.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

16 hours ago, grrclark said:

Agreed.  The essential principle of our justice system is innocent until proven guilty.  Of course if there is a significent risk of flight then it is not unreasonable to take precautions, but there are other ways of doing that other than presuming guilt and keeping someone locked up for a year.

It is NOT OUR justice system, it is in the USA and as she is seen as a "flight risk" she will sit and wait for her trial. In solitary confinement with the lights on and 24 hour suicide watch. She is still innocent until the trial, if and when she spills the beans, that may stop the need for the trial.

[Mickeydredd]

I think if I was in her place I would have got myself over the Canadian border then on a flight to France at the earliest opportunity rather than "lying low waiting for the noise to die down" as Alexander the expert suggests.

You may also, like Alexander, wonder why if she was worth at least $20m was she suing Epstein's estate for financial support.......

Edited July 16, 2020 by Mickeydredd

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, Mickeydredd said:

You may also, like Alexander, wonder why if she was worth at least $20m then why was she suing Epstein's estate for financial support.......

Her late father's business 'empire' was thought to be hugely valuable - and he was leading the lifestyle of a very rich man, large stately home/mansion (which was in fact leased and was also the location of he Pergamon Press, one of his businesses), yacht (named the Lady Ghislaine), football team ownership (Oxford United) and all of the trappings of wealth.

The truth that emerged when he died/suicide/killed (take your pick) was that the whole business 'empire' was broke, owed money all over the place and had illegally raided (and used up) it's pension funds to maintain the illusion it was a successful business (essential in order to maintain a credit rating in order to borrow money).

She may be wealthy ......... or like her father, it may be an illusion created with other peoples money.

[Mickeydredd]

3 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

She may be wealthy ......... or like her father, it may be an illusion created with other peoples money.

If you read my earlier posts on this thread, much ridiculed by others, you will see my view is she isn't wealthy at all and is dependent upon her wealthy contacts, just as you allude to.

[grrclark]

4 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

It is NOT OUR justice system, it is in the USA and as she is seen as a "flight risk" she will sit and wait for her trial. In solitary confinement with the lights on and 24 hour suicide watch. She is still innocent until the trial, if and when she spills the beans, that may stop the need for the trial.

The US judicial system is largely based on the same pillars as the UK's.  Semantics aside, until proven otherwise she is innocent and being denied bail does seem to me to be harsh.

In any practical or real world sense it makes no difference to me, just that I see it as being severe, although not particularly surprising

[TIGHTCHOKE]

11 minutes ago, grrclark said:

The US judicial system is largely based on the same pillars as the UK's.  Semantics aside, until proven otherwise she is innocent and being denied bail does seem to me to be harsh.

In any practical or real world sense it makes no difference to me, just that I see it as being severe, although not particularly surprising

Makes no difference to me either, I am happy for them to deal with her as they seem fit.

 

I would never put myself in to a position where I might have bail denied.

[grrclark]

47 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Makes no difference to me either, I am happy for them to deal with her as they seem fit.

 

I would never put myself in to a position where I might have bail denied.

Maybe GM thought the same thing.  I do concede that her proximity to Epstein makes it unlikely that she was squeaky clean however.

Abuse of process can and does happen all the time, that may take any control away from you.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

6 minutes ago, grrclark said:

Maybe GM thought the same thing.  I do concede that her proximity to Epstein makes it unlikely that she was squeaky clean however.

Abuse of process can and does happen all the time, that may take any control away from you.

Yes it can, but much more likely to happen if you are regularly abusing the system!

[Scully]

15 hours ago, Mr_Nobody said:

This article explains exactly why she is being kept imprisoned.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/02/national/france-will-not-extradite-ghosn-arrives-country-government/#.Xw9vfhL9ncc

One of the, at least, 3 passports she holds is French. She has a house near the Canadian border so it's not unreasonable to think she could make her way to France via Canada.

Lots more good points made in this video.

 

Take away her passports and slap a tag on her? Just a thought. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Scully said:

Take away her passports and slap a tag on her? Just a thought. 

How many copies of her passports does she have?

I know it's not the most reliable of sources but take a look at her Wikipedia page. She is quite the expert at hiding.

I can't help but think they have the ulterior motive of keeping her locked up to provide extra pressure, and persuade her to go for the plea bargain.

[Scully]

8 minutes ago, Mr_Nobody said:

How many copies of her passports does she have?

I know it's not the most reliable of sources but take a look at her Wikipedia page. She is quite the expert at hiding.

I can't help but think they have the ulterior motive of keeping her locked up to provide extra pressure, and persuade her to go for the plea bargain.

I have no idea, but being tagged would take care of that I would think. It’s not like no one knows what she looks like! 

I’m sure the motives for doing so are many and varied, but jailing someone without trial for the best part of a year in a country which claims it prizes democracy and civil rights is a slippery slope. It just sticks in my throat. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Scully said:

I have no idea, but being tagged would take care of that I would think. It’s not like no one knows what she looks like! 

I’m sure the motives for doing so are many and varied, but jailing someone without trial for the best part of a year in a country which claims it prizes democracy and civil rights is a slippery slope. It just sticks in my throat. 

Tags can be removed.

I understand your dislike for her being held for so long but they are acting within the law.

There is also the matter of the recently unsealed court records. Who knows what is contained within those?

[Scully]

3 minutes ago, Mr_Nobody said:

Tags can be removed.

I understand your dislike for her being held for so long but they are acting within the law.

There is also the matter of the recently unsealed court records. Who knows what is contained within those?

I’m pretty sure it’s possible to make a tamper free tag, and I’m pretty sure anyone wearing a disguise to go through passport control would cause suspicion. 
Whatever is in the court records has no more significance than the crimes she has been charged with, we’re talking about jailing without trial. A month perhaps I could understand, but a year? Something stinks. 
It’s not like prosecutors need time to compile a case to secure a conviction, or is it? She has already been charged so they must have a case surely. 
It doesn’t sit easy with me at all. 
 

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, Scully said:

I’m pretty sure it’s possible to make a tamper free tag, and I’m pretty sure anyone wearing a disguise to go through passport control would cause suspicion.

Carlos Ghosn managed to escape from Japan.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-50964040