DUNKS Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 Hi does anyone know of a supplier who has 12g 65 or 67mm cases in stock please? Kranks do not neither do Folkstone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) Have you asked Clay and Game? Otherwise cut longer ones to size. Edited July 21, 2020 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 Norman Clarke at Rugby has 12 Bore cases but you'd need to call them for length specification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted July 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Have you asked Clay and Game? Otherwise cut longer ones to size. Thanks they might but I fell out with them a while back "my fault" Cant be bothered to cut hundreds of cases down sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 Fair enough. If I can think of any where else I will PM you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted July 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 24 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: Norman Clarke at Rugby has 12 Bore cases but you'd need to call them for length specification. Yep he has some thanks. He wont/cant post primed cases but it's only a 50 mile ride to fetch some. Problem is HE ALSO SELLS GUNS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 George at Proper Cartridges also sells empty hulls, wads, shot, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, saddler said: George at Proper Cartridges also sells empty hulls, wads, shot, etc. He does, although he is in Suffolk at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, DUNKS said: Yep he has some thanks. He wont/cant post primed cases but it's only a 50 mile ride to fetch some. Problem is HE ALSO SELLS GUNS! Oh....and in case you've never been be very afraid of Norman's table of pre-owned and pre-loved loading gear and fired cases plus clearance bullets. Edited July 21, 2020 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted July 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: Oh....and in case you've never been be very afraid of his table of pre-owned and pre-loved loading gear and fired cases plus clearance bullets. Oh dear if her inside sees these posts she will hide my cards when I go. Sounds a very dangerous place! Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 hours ago, DUNKS said: Hi does anyone know of a supplier who has 12g 65 or 67mm cases in stock please? Kranks do not neither do Folkstone. Pretty sure John with have some look up shotgun reloading website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberisle Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 Can you not just go down to your nearest clay ground hey have tons of fired cases, just help yourself, i find that once fired cases are a lot easier to crimp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, aberisle said: Can you not just go down to your nearest clay ground hey have tons of fired cases, just help yourself, i find that once fired cases are a lot easier to crimp. And surely he will still have to cut them down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenholland Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 clay grounds is all I use , all sizes , but I only pick the one's that I know that crimp well , I pick 70 mm for all my reloading for pigeon . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted July 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) Thank you guys. I only load black powder and for older guns with two and a half inch chambers 65mm Not many 65mm carts in the bins at the clay ground I use. Plus try as I might I cant seem to get a perfect crimp from used cases. An adequate crimp yes but not a perfect one. I do get a half decent crimp from 70mm cases I cut down but cutting down a slab of cases Is not fun. Edited July 21, 2020 by DUNKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberisle Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: And surely he will still have to cut them down? Not really when look through the spent case bins there are loads of 67mm ones at times i really have to search to get a decent amount of 70mm ones, alternatively go to a game shoot where they have a bag of collected cases at the end of the days shoot you will definitely get your 65mm ones there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 22 minutes ago, DUNKS said: Thank you guys. I only load black powder and for older guns with two and a half inch chambers 65mm Not many 65mm carts in the bins at the clay ground I use. Plus try as I might I cant seem to get a perfect crimp from used cases. An adequate crimp yes but not a perfect one. I do get a half decent crimp from 70mm cases I cut down but cutting down a slab of cases Is not fun. I'd only ever do a roll crimp on a 2 1/2" blackpowder cartridge. Never a star crimp and, for that, you are better to start with 70mm cases and cut them down. Yes it's a pain in the neck but it may be that you need to make a simple tool to help? Might I suggest a block of wood 2" x 2" x 2 7/16" with a hole drilled through it and then simply an old, but very sharp, cheap kitchen knife. The sort with the fine feather type serrations (not a bread knife)? Push case into hole then using a sawing or slicing motion slice of end unwanted ring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted July 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: I'd only ever do a roll crimp on a 2 1/2" blackpowder cartridge. Never a star crimp and, for that, you are better to start with 70mm cases and cut them down. Yes it's a pain in the neck but it may be that you need to make a simple tool to help? Might I suggest a block of wood 2" x 2" x 2 7/16" with a hole drilled through it and then simply an old, but very sharp, cheap kitchen knife. The sort with the fine feather type serrations (not a bread knife)? Push case into hole then using a sawing or slicing motion slice of end unwanted ring? Thanks. Or of course buy the brand new cases I want and no hassle. I can get a decent roll crimp but I prefer a star. Photo shows both. All 65mm cases just different wad. Edited July 21, 2020 by DUNKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 55 minutes ago, DUNKS said: Thank you guys. I only load black powder and for older guns with two and a half inch chambers 65mm Not many 65mm carts in the bins at the clay ground I use. Plus try as I might I cant seem to get a perfect crimp from used cases. An adequate crimp yes but not a perfect one. I do get a half decent crimp from 70mm cases I cut down but cutting down a slab of cases Is not fun. Is it not worth investing in mag tech brass cases for the black powder; last a lifetime just need large pistol primers unless you bore them out for a standard primer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) I went a got a little bit "anal retentive" way back in the 1990s and had a rubber stamp maker make me a 1 1/2" x 1 1/2" square stamp that was rows of lines of number 6 with a full stop so 6. 6. 6. 6. Then got an ink pad and stamped my wads. I'm sure that it made the cartridges shoot better! A friend had one made up with lots of number 7 on his. But no full stop of course. They looked handsome they did. LOL! 10 minutes ago, Dave at kelton said: Is it not worth investing in mag tech brass cases for the black powder; last a lifetime just need large pistol primers unless you bore them out for a standard primer? Blackpowder is a killer on brass cases that aren't fairly quickly dunked in water and, also, the case wall thickness would demand a larger wad. You'd have a 2020 version of Mr Heath's "chamberless gun" of the way back when time long ago. However when I mentioned the same thoughts on another Forum some said that it wasn't, as such, an issue. Edited July 21, 2020 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted July 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 52 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: I went a got a little bit "anal retentive" way back in the 1990s and had a rubber stamp maker make me a 1 1/2" x 1 1/2" square stamp that was rows of lines of number 6 with a full stop so 6. 6. 6. 6. Then got an ink pad and stamped my wads. I'm sure that it made the cartridges shoot better! A friend had one made up with lots of number 7 on his. But no full stop of course. They looked handsome they did. LOL! Blackpowder is a killer on brass cases that aren't fairly quickly dunked in water and, also, the case wall thickness would demand a larger wad. You'd have a 2020 version of Mr Heath's "chamberless gun" of the way back when time long ago. However when I mentioned the same thoughts on another Forum some said that it wasn't, as such, an issue. The little rubber stamp is a great idea mine look scruffy with white felt tip. Must get one!😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hofk Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 Try Claverdon Cartridges Warwickshire he does get some in from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, enfieldspares said: I went a got a little bit "anal retentive" way back in the 1990s and had a rubber stamp maker make me a 1 1/2" x 1 1/2" square stamp that was rows of lines of number 6 with a full stop so 6. 6. 6. 6. Then got an ink pad and stamped my wads. I'm sure that it made the cartridges shoot better! A friend had one made up with lots of number 7 on his. But no full stop of course. They looked handsome they did. LOL! Blackpowder is a killer on brass cases that aren't fairly quickly dunked in water and, also, the case wall thickness would demand a larger wad. You'd have a 2020 version of Mr Heath's "chamberless gun" of the way back when time long ago. However when I mentioned the same thoughts on another Forum some said that it wasn't, as such, an issue. Yep I have to use 11 bore wads in the mag tech and you definitely still have to look after them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, DUNKS said: The little rubber stamp is a great idea mine look scruffy with white felt tip. Must get one!😃 Now if I had my time again I'd do it differently. As laying all the wads flat and stamping the was a "faff" in truth. I'd stamp the overshot card after the cartridge was actually loaded and roll crimped but still in the loading tray as in the OP's picture. I'd make my own stamp with a dowel the diameter of the inside diameter of the roll crimp recess the centre a bit and glue one single large 6, or 7, pinched from a kiddie's stamp pad outfit. So it was like a lipstick. Or look for a single number stamp in a craft shop and if needed spin it in a drill to get the needed diameter. My seven year old has these stamps for letter but I think their diameter is too great. Anyway it gives the intent of the idea. Edited July 21, 2020 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feltwad Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 For black powder loads I use paper cases in 65 or 67 mm with a rolled turnover I can get a couple of reloads from one case Feltwad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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