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Not strictly correct, Land Owner or his 'agent'. I was in a syndicate on a large estate, owned by a certain Lord. As he was unlikely to be out with us on a shoot day, it was acceptable for the 'Shoot Captain' to be classed as an 'Agent', to allow a non-certificate holder to shoot under supervision on a shoot day. This allowed young shooters to have a day, in the company of Dad. 

It may pay to have a word with your local Firearms Department though, it seems that currently, Chief Constables can make up the rules as they go along  ?

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22 minutes ago, Westley said:

Not strictly correct, Land Owner or his 'agent'. I was in a syndicate on a large estate, owned by a certain Lord. As he was unlikely to be out with us on a shoot day, it was acceptable for the 'Shoot Captain' to be classed as an 'Agent', to allow a non-certificate holder to shoot under supervision on a shoot day. This allowed young shooters to have a day, in the company of Dad. 

It may pay to have a word with your local Firearms Department though, it seems that currently, Chief Constables can make up the rules as they go along  ?

Totally correct Sir. I was trying to simplify it for the OP.

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28 minutes ago, Westley said:

Not strictly correct, Land Owner or his 'agent'. I was in a syndicate on a large estate, owned by a certain Lord. As he was unlikely to be out with us on a shoot day, it was acceptable for the 'Shoot Captain' to be classed as an 'Agent', to allow a non-certificate holder to shoot under supervision on a shoot day. This allowed young shooters to have a day, in the company of Dad. 

It may pay to have a word with your local Firearms Department though, it seems that currently, Chief Constables can make up the rules as they go along  ?

Correct, ‘or his agent’ 👍

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In this instance it would appear to be quite straightforward. If the OP is either the land occupier - eg, the tenant farmer - and/or the holder of the shooting rights if there are any, then we're good to go. Obviously, being the land owner would also qualify unless the land has one or more occupiers, ie, a tenant farmer and someone to whom the land owner has leased the shooting rights in which case he has no say.  

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14 minutes ago, arjimlad said:

The law changed on this so that you can lend a shotgun if you have written permission to do that. See here  https://angliasporting.co.uk/general-news/borrowing-shotgunsfirearms/ & check out the links to BASC fact sheets.  Makes it easier to do this. 

Yep, the occupiers now have the authority to delegate the permission albeit in writing.

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1 hour ago, welshwarrior said:

But not to shoot at targets (ie clays) to do that you need an 11.6 exemption.  
 

the above is for live quarry and I think is the 11.5 exemption to the firearms act. 

No, artificial targets are included.

However, to this layman all this change to the law/act has done is muddy the waters. Previously, once you understood what 'occupier' meant all was clear. Now, read this:

https://www.brownejacobson.com/training-and-resources/resources/legal-updates/2017/06/recent-changes-to-firearm-laws

 

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2 hours ago, wymberley said:

No, artificial targets are included.

However, to this layman all this change to the law/act has done is muddy the waters. Previously, once you understood what 'occupier' meant all was clear. Now, read this:

https://www.brownejacobson.com/training-and-resources/resources/legal-updates/2017/06/recent-changes-to-firearm-laws

 

11(6) has not been amended but 11(5) has been replaced by 11(A) I can’t see Artificial targets mentioned and it’s labelled Authorised  lending and possession of firearms for hunting etc

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21 hours ago, hitfreshairagain said:

Hi Everyone 

can anyone enlighten me to the answer ?.can my 13 year old stepson use a 20 bore that is on my certificate on private land .

thanks in advance 

If you’d just got on with it and done it, like the vast majority of folk do, you wouldn’t be facing this quandary now! 🙂

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Things have changed since I was 13 (1953) and I was now big enough to shoot my grandfathers 12 gauge. Back then I wandered over 220acres of our own land and another 180 acres belonging to my uncle and no one blinked and eyelid, even the local Bobby who would take a rabbit should I have one. 

Back to the future......................  the advice above is about right but anyone today who gives a shotgun to a 13 yr old an lets him loose on his own is going to be in big trouble.

 

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23 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

Things have changed since I was 13 (1953) and I was now big enough to shoot my grandfathers 12 gauge. Back then I wandered over 220acres of our own land and another 180 acres belonging to my uncle and no one blinked and eyelid, even the local Bobby who would take a rabbit should I have one. 

Back to the future......................  the advice above is about right but anyone today who gives a shotgun to a 13 yr old an lets him loose on his own is going to be in big trouble.

 

I wasn’t suggesting letting him loose, regardless of what legislation states. 
I took my kids and nephews shooting with me from a very young age, under my supervision at all times. Common sense dictates, again, regardless of what legislation does. 

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