wigeon jim Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 Been playing around in the loading room today trying to come up with a simple plastic free load, decided to use a tested 3" load with 32 grams steel shot in a B&P 32 plastic wad, I have put a over power card in then a 10 mm fibre wad then a card wrap cut from some packaging, 32 grams # 3 steel shot , over shot card,all fits great , will try to get them over the chrono tomorrow to see if there is a big difference in speed,will also have to check the card wrap for rub through,might need to go thicker, what do you all think? Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 Looking forward to the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 With no plastic to fully obturate you may struggle to get sensible chrono readings. My guess is that the velocity will be down .. I've done a similar wad for ITM in the 8, and there was the odd pinhole so I ended up using a mylar wrap also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wigeon jim Posted September 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 Yes rub through is the thing I am looking for, I may have to use a thicker wrap and reduce the payload slightly, if it works it will be a nice and easy way to load plastic free as long as over powder cards and fibre wads are readily available, the other thing I thought of using was and inverted 10 or 8g over shot cardcup over the powder as in big bore loading to help with gas blow by , Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 I'd be tempted to try with the inverted cup as you say ... it worked with the XX's ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 Sorry if I am being thick but what powder and grains are you using, can’t see it mentioned. I am using inverted cup this season and will, see how it goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wigeon jim Posted September 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 Hi Dave, this particular original load was tested with 28 grains of ici C3,= AVG 811 bar/ V 2.5 408 ms , Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 27 minutes ago, wigeon jim said: Hi Dave, this particular original load was tested with 28 grains of ici C3,= AVG 811 bar/ V 2.5 408 ms , Jim. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wigeon jim Posted September 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 Fired a few today, although they still felt punchy, chrono reading were low as smokersmith thought they would be,don't know if it was because the card wraps I used were turning to confetti on firing and may be giving a false reading, so now looking for a tougher card to try again, here's the patterns through a 1/4 choke, Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 Thanks! If they were turning to confetti I guess there’s no need to ask about pinholes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wigeon jim Posted September 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 Now looking for a tougher card,and ideas? Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 Keep up the good work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 Lancer on here was using the foiled card lids from Chinese takeaways. Orange juice cartons won’t quite do it, and they have a plastic coating but they do stay intact ... perhaps a double layer of those as a test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wigeon jim Posted September 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 Up date today, fund some thicker card to try, also added a inverted 8g card over powder which now produced around 1250 fps, but I used the thick card as a wrap which was overlapped and with the extra pressure on the overlap it cases the case to split so going to have to make some kind of wrap that meets end to end, the card I used still disintegrated on firing but I did find the outer layer which had not been holed, now going to test the paper cup wads from C&G to see how they stand up, Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 These ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wigeon jim Posted September 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 Them ones,👍 I only have the long ones so cutting to length I need, Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 hours ago, wigeon jim said: also added a inverted 8g card over powder Nice .. how did you form the cup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 Hi I have loaded the clay and game card shot cups in 12 gauge and 10 gauge with steel 3.8 mm for my son. The wads were good but may limit the choke used , l will ask him . I have used Mylar wraps with steel loads and find them a few yards away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wigeon jim Posted September 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Smokersmith said: Nice .. how did you form the cup? I push an 8g card into a 16g brass case trimming tube, 16 minutes ago, Gas seal said: Hi I have loaded the clay and game card shot cups in 12 gauge and 10 gauge with steel 3.8 mm for my son. The wads were good but may limit the choke used , l will ask him . I have used Mylar wraps with steel loads and find them a few yards away Trying to be plastic free on wraps, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted September 19, 2020 Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 Thanks .. next question is where can I get the hardware for it!! I’ve plenty of cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wigeon jim Posted September 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 I had the 16g tube made for me to cut down 70mm cases to 67mm simply insert the case and run a Stanley knife over the top, the ramer is just from some old loading bits, Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted September 19, 2020 Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 Thanks Jim .... I’ll see what’s kicking about in the shed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 19, 2020 Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 You could soak your cardboard wraps in water soluble glue to give more strength. You could make paper mulch and press your own cups in a mould. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted September 19, 2020 Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 hour ago, wigeon jim said: I had the 16g tube made for me to cut down 70mm cases to 67mm simply insert the case and run a Stanley knife over the top, the ramer is just from some old loading bits, Jim. Jim do you wax the cards ? I do for the bigger stuff , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wigeon jim Posted September 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 37 minutes ago, figgy said: You could soak your cardboard wraps in water soluble glue to give more strength. You could make paper mulch and press your own cups in a mould. Yes might give that a try,would maybe get away with a thinner wrap, 22 minutes ago, derbyduck said: Jim do you wax the cards ? I do for the bigger stuff , Not so far, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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