Police Officer Shot in Police Station

[Gordon R]

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page needs a like button. THIS 100%

Whatever the failings in the system or failings in how it was carried out, the fact remains:-

 

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A man who gave 30 years of his life to serving the country and keeping innocent people safe. 
 

Cut down before retirement. 
 

May he rest in peace. 

 

Put far better than myself.

[bottletopbill]

We are losing RESPECT in our society now at schools as to much PC and not protecting other's

[TommoTomson]

As a rule I generally steer clear of commenting on emotive subjects such as this. Everyone has their opinion and that is fine. The world would would be a boring place if we agreed on everything or all thought the same.

That said some of the comments/speculation are a bit wide of the mark. I was a response officer up until I left four years ago and I still have close friends who serve. 

Each force will have its own policies and procedures but they will all stem from the same national guidance. In my force the initial search of detainees is the arresting officers responsibility. If the individual cannot be searched due to them being a bit bitey, fighty, flighty or in need of immediate medical treatment then you make your Sgt's/Custody staff aware so they can take that risk into consideration when booking in. I have known it to happen whereby armed response have arrested someone, supposedly searched them, handed them over to Response to be taken to custody and knives and drugs have been found on the search at custody. This happens not always because of cuts or changes by snowflake policy makers, but because of sloppy work and this can happen in any industry. The only thing that changes are the consequences 

Covid has not changed how or when body searches are done or carried out. Gloves are generally worn anyway. The addition of face masks is now advised but this will not stop the 'client's' spitting, vomiting or using some other inventive method of trying to hurt your feelings.

Any Intel that's suggests drugs, concealable phones or storage devices, ammo or weapons (including sharp objects being secreted away for self harm purposes) may be present, will always result in a full warts 'n'all search. Depending on the suitability of where you are this will be done in situ or at the custody suite.

Female officers/staff for the most part can search males and vice versa. Out of decency I'd always shout up for a female officer if I had a female detained and I wasn't crewed with one. It was common that one wasn't available so the standard body pat down was done and this did include asking the individual to lift up their ample sized breast to ensure packs of bacon, cheese, coffee sachets, etc were not being squirrelled away. If a more intimate search was required then it would be done by a person of the same sex but other officers of the opposite sex could still be present depending on whether assistance would be needed. 

It's not always fair or right to blame previous generations for current issues. Since the internet, easier access to global travel and the continual advancement of technology the world has become a much smaller place. That said it is my opinion that the deterrents and punishments handed out do not always stack up. Some of this is as a result of legacies left over from previous governments, think tanks, reviews and media bias. 

None of the above is intended to rile, provoke or suggest that "I'm right, you're wrong". If you don't agree with any part of the above then I'm fine with that.

After the media circus has moved on, and the different political parties are blaming each other over a different event and new guidelines are produced. The fact will remain that Sgt. Ratana was killed in the line of duty whilst playing his part in serving the community. My condolences to his family, friends and colleagues.

 

[McSpredder]

Lots of press reports say a revolver was used.   I have seen very slim semi-auto pistols, and can imagine they might quite easily be missed during a "pat down", but wouldn't a revolver be relatively bulky on account of the cylinder diameter?

[12gauge82]

30 minutes ago, TommoTomson said:

As a rule I generally steer clear of commenting on emotive subjects such as this. Everyone has their opinion and that is fine. The world would would be a boring place if we agreed on everything or all thought the same.

That said some of the comments/speculation are a bit wide of the mark. I was a response officer up until I left four years ago and I still have close friends who serve. 

Each force will have its own policies and procedures but they will all stem from the same national guidance. In my force the initial search of detainees is the arresting officers responsibility. If the individual cannot be searched due to them being a bit bitey, fighty, flighty or in need of immediate medical treatment then you make your Sgt's/Custody staff aware so they can take that risk into consideration when booking in. I have known it to happen whereby armed response have arrested someone, supposedly searched them, handed them over to Response to be taken to custody and knives and drugs have been found on the search at custody. This happens not always because of cuts or changes by snowflake policy makers, but because of sloppy work and this can happen in any industry. The only thing that changes are the consequences 

Covid has not changed how or when body searches are done or carried out. Gloves are generally worn anyway. The addition of face masks is now advised but this will not stop the 'client's' spitting, vomiting or using some other inventive method of trying to hurt your feelings.

Any Intel that's suggests drugs, concealable phones or storage devices, ammo or weapons (including sharp objects being secreted away for self harm purposes) may be present, will always result in a full warts 'n'all search. Depending on the suitability of where you are this will be done in situ or at the custody suite.

Female officers/staff for the most part can search males and vice versa. Out of decency I'd always shout up for a female officer if I had a female detained and I wasn't crewed with one. It was common that one wasn't available so the standard body pat down was done and this did include asking the individual to lift up their ample sized breast to ensure packs of bacon, cheese, coffee sachets, etc were not being squirrelled away. If a more intimate search was required then it would be done by a person of the same sex but other officers of the opposite sex could still be present depending on whether assistance would be needed. 

It's not always fair or right to blame previous generations for current issues. Since the internet, easier access to global travel and the continual advancement of technology the world has become a much smaller place. That said it is my opinion that the deterrents and punishments handed out do not always stack up. Some of this is as a result of legacies left over from previous governments, think tanks, reviews and media bias. 

None of the above is intended to rile, provoke or suggest that "I'm right, you're wrong". If you don't agree with any part of the above then I'm fine with that.

After the media circus has moved on, and the different political parties are blaming each other over a different event and new guidelines are produced. The fact will remain that Sgt. Ratana was killed in the line of duty whilst playing his part in serving the community. My condolences to his family, friends and colleagues.

 

Policing has gone soft and policing is no longer a career which means experience is no longer retained. That's two major problems these days. 

[Dave-G]

1 hour ago, McSpredder said:

Lots of press reports say a revolver was used.   I have seen very slim semi-auto pistols, and can imagine they might quite easily be missed during a "pat down", but wouldn't a revolver be relatively bulky on account of the cylinder diameter?

Pistols have moved on from the old cylinder types.

Edit: I suspect a reporter has called a pistol a revolver.

Edited September 27, 2020 by Dave-G

[Walker570]

48 minutes ago, TommoTomson said:

As a rule I generally steer clear of commenting on emotive subjects such as this. Everyone has their opinion and that is fine. The world would would be a boring place if we agreed on everything or all thought the same.

That said some of the comments/speculation are a bit wide of the mark. I was a response officer up until I left four years ago and I still have close friends who serve. 

Each force will have its own policies and procedures but they will all stem from the same national guidance. In my force the initial search of detainees is the arresting officers responsibility. If the individual cannot be searched due to them being a bit bitey, fighty, flighty or in need of immediate medical treatment then you make your Sgt's/Custody staff aware so they can take that risk into consideration when booking in. I have known it to happen whereby armed response have arrested someone, supposedly searched them, handed them over to Response to be taken to custody and knives and drugs have been found on the search at custody. This happens not always because of cuts or changes by snowflake policy makers, but because of sloppy work and this can happen in any industry. The only thing that changes are the consequences 

Covid has not changed how or when body searches are done or carried out. Gloves are generally worn anyway. The addition of face masks is now advised but this will not stop the 'client's' spitting, vomiting or using some other inventive method of trying to hurt your feelings.

Any Intel that's suggests drugs, concealable phones or storage devices, ammo or weapons (including sharp objects being secreted away for self harm purposes) may be present, will always result in a full warts 'n'all search. Depending on the suitability of where you are this will be done in situ or at the custody suite.

Female officers/staff for the most part can search males and vice versa. Out of decency I'd always shout up for a female officer if I had a female detained and I wasn't crewed with one. It was common that one wasn't available so the standard body pat down was done and this did include asking the individual to lift up their ample sized breast to ensure packs of bacon, cheese, coffee sachets, etc were not being squirrelled away. If a more intimate search was required then it would be done by a person of the same sex but other officers of the opposite sex could still be present depending on whether assistance would be needed. 

It's not always fair or right to blame previous generations for current issues. Since the internet, easier access to global travel and the continual advancement of technology the world has become a much smaller place. That said it is my opinion that the deterrents and punishments handed out do not always stack up. Some of this is as a result of legacies left over from previous governments, think tanks, reviews and media bias. 

None of the above is intended to rile, provoke or suggest that "I'm right, you're wrong". If you don't agree with any part of the above then I'm fine with that.

After the media circus has moved on, and the different political parties are blaming each other over a different event and new guidelines are produced. The fact will remain that Sgt. Ratana was killed in the line of duty whilst playing his part in serving the community. My condolences to his family, friends and colleagues.

 

!00% excellent reply.

[Scully]

28 minutes ago, McSpredder said:

Lots of press reports say a revolver was used.   I have seen very slim semi-auto pistols, and can imagine they might quite easily be missed during a "pat down", but wouldn't a revolver be relatively bulky on account of the cylinder diameter?

Depends what make and model of revolver. 

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, Scully said:

Depends what make and model of revolver. 

Spot on, a. 22 short revolver for instance is tiny. 

[blackbird]

3 days later & the guy is still critical, why bother trying to save him 🥱

 

[TommoTomson]

6 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

Policing has gone soft and policing is no longer a career which means experience is no longer retained. That's two major problems these days. 

There is some truth in that. A lot of colleagues were disillusioned due to the staff cuts, budget cuts, workload and the sheer volume of mental health cases. A lot wanted out due to this.

As for being soft; I never felt we were being soft but then most of our superiors were go get'um types and weren't too caught up in the politics of it all. I knew of other colleagues in other forces that were steered away from dealing with certain people/topics due to the media or political flavour at the time. 

[Westley]

6 hours ago, Walker570 said:

!00% excellent reply.

I'll second that.

[Newbie to this]

8 minutes ago, TommoTomson said:

I knew of other colleagues in other forces that were steered away from dealing with certain people/topics due to the media or political flavour at the time. 

And there is the biggest problem with policing today, it's become political, and that is something no police should be.

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, TommoTomson said:

There is some truth in that. A lot of colleagues were disillusioned due to the staff cuts, budget cuts, workload and the sheer volume of mental health cases. A lot wanted out due to this.

As for being soft; I never felt we were being soft but then most of our superiors were go get'um types and weren't too caught up in the politics of it all. I knew of other colleagues in other forces that were steered away from dealing with certain people/topics due to the media or political flavour at the time. 

I don't believe the actual officers have gone soft, but the job, which is obviously led by politicians. 

[London Best]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

3 days later & the guy is still critical, why bother trying to save him 🥱

 

Well, it won’t be so they can hang him, will it?