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I have been sent a notice of intended prosecution for breaching a 50MPH temporary speed limit on the M62. I'm guessing they don't use humans to process their mistakes.

My car is a light green X-trail, the culprit drives a blue Volkswagon saloon. :mad: I'd love to ignore the ******* in charge of this but apparently its a criminal offence to do that.

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Don't have a coronary, reply to them in a calm manner, explaining how they have got it wrong. Electronic devices are only as good as the programmer and, in this case, the camera lens.

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I had a notice from Hampshire Constabulary a few years back. On the day I was in Lancaster visiting a Vicar! They didn’t believe me and said I would have to tell it to the court. I wrote personally to the Chief Constable. Had a very quick response from his Deputy who eventually discovered that Dept of Transport had registered two vehicles on the same day with the same number. I wouldn’t have thought the computer program would have allowed it. But I had a nice message apologising for the problem and rescinding the notice.

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Well it should be obvious to all. The OP has shape shifting powers and can expect a visit form the Witchfinder General and soon thereafter to be burned at the stake. As should all who have the mark of Satan upon them. If OTOH you've the time and the inclination I'd write by Recorded Delivery to the issuing force's Police Commissioner and kick up a big fuss.

And, yes, ask for expenses...in fact send if so minded an invoice...to cover time and effort involved in doing so.

This time it's a speeding ticket issued in error. Next time it could be a "hit and run" or a drive off from a robbery and your door kicked in at 4.00am. Quite simply it is not good enough and for that reason (as I presume you are an SGC/FAC holder) I'd make a stink about it. As others have said it is an O not a D and the make and model are wrong. There's no excuse.

 

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My other half’s car was cloned and the stolen cloned car racked up about 10 different tickets in Manchester varying from speeding to driving in bus lanes. They asked for some pictures of my other half’s car and the only difference between the cloned car and hers was that hers had the GB block on the number plates. I didn’t think this would of been enough but they wrote back a couple of days later saying they have cancelled all the tickets and flagged the car as stolen. Couple of days later she got a call from plod telling her they had recovered the stolen car and shouldn’t have any more problems.

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It came with an online method of contacting them and an invitation to give my email details - which has been done. I've not got into a big strop about it - just letting it be known they're not perfect.

I'll not be advising them who the driver was as they demand though. It's just a bit peeving they have a drop down box of circumstances - except it was not our vehicle. :ermm:

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56 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

It came with an online method of contacting them and an invitation to give my email details - which has been done. I've not got into a big strop about it - just letting it be known they're not perfect.

I'll not be advising them who the driver was as they demand though. It's just a bit peeving they have a drop down box of circumstances - except it was not our vehicle. 

:good:No big deal.

I wonder how tight those speed bands are within the zone. If you measure the length of any single lane through through the average speed camera area, allow a tolerance for speedo error that produces a time taken at the average speed limit, to complete the total distance. Given most of these zones are long and not straight  it would be possible to cut all the corners, and go through the time clock apparently at excess speed without exceeding the limit time given. This must also then be allowed back into the travel time creating a larger speed limit margin than might otherwise be the case.

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Im getting done £60 for parking a blue  Peugeot in a Perth car park , for using a app on a mobile phone and not displaying a ticket  , I drive a grey pathfinder 

Makes you wonder if folk just pay up for a bit of peace and it goes away 

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21 hours ago, Fisheruk said:

I had a notice from Hampshire Constabulary a few years back. On the day I was in Lancaster visiting a Vicar! They didn’t believe me and said I would have to tell it to the court. I wrote personally to the Chief Constable. Had a very quick response from his Deputy who eventually discovered that Dept of Transport had registered two vehicles on the same day with the same number. I wouldn’t have thought the computer program would have allowed it. But I had a nice message apologising for the problem and rescinding the notice.

Happened to me too. We had a car that was a very distinctive colour. I saw an identical one while on the M25 and you can imagine my surprise when I found it had the same registration number. I called the police, who made a note and told me that it happens more often than you might think. I spoke to the dealer who told me that the registration belonged to mine and that the fault was generally with the guys who make up and attach the plates. And that it happens more often than you might think...

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On a bit of a slant ..

My brother once bought a used cortina ghia and after a few days of owning it got stopped by the police (the old fashioned way) after they had followed him and done a pnc check on the reg number . They asked him why he had the reg number off a Mercedes on his vehicle ? Very puzzled he explained that he hadn't long owned the vehicle and showed the purchase receipt from the garage on checking it the officer noticed the first 3 letters were the same but in a different order .. on checking the front of the car it had the correct number displayed..... 

The garage apologized and supplied another correct plate 

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I purchased a KTM 690 super moto which was advertised on ebay. I got a ticket a few months later for speeding in a city I had never been to in life! It was all dropped eventually but I had to send photos of my bike and a letter from the friend who I had been shooting with that day 200 miles away from the camera! Seems that they will just look on ebay and find a similar bike to copy the plate from. 

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On 25/10/2020 at 16:55, oowee said:

:good:No big deal.

I wonder how tight those speed bands are within the zone. If you measure the length of any single lane through through the average speed camera area, allow a tolerance for speedo error that produces a time taken at the average speed limit, to complete the total distance. Given most of these zones are long and not straight  it would be possible to cut all the corners, and go through the time clock apparently at excess speed without exceeding the limit time given. This must also then be allowed back into the travel time creating a larger speed limit margin than might otherwise be the case.

As far as I can tell, ‘most’ motorway roadwork 50mph average speed cameras will allow up to 55 or 56 no problem... if they are actually connected at all!

Generally, cameras will allow a tolerance of 10% before being triggered... much the same as ‘most’ police patrols will, if you are driving sensibly.

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