islandgun Posted October 27, 2020 Report Share Posted October 27, 2020 Err.. Its not just about the monetary value of fish. For me its about the overfishing and eventual killing off of the sea that surrounds us. In my lifetime Ive watched species of fish disappear from our inshore waters, at one time Cod and Haddock were common, rare now ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted October 27, 2020 Report Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 hour ago, islandgun said: Err.. Its not just about the monetary value of fish. For me its about the overfishing and eventual killing off of the sea that surrounds us. In my lifetime Ive watched species of fish disappear from our inshore waters, at one time Cod and Haddock were common, rare now ! Sadly Steve I don't think fishing will slow down in any respect. I agree with you too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 7 hours ago, oowee said: I have the same issue with the pheasants released next door. They keep coming my side of the fence so they are mine to shoot I don't give a fig leaf about short term loss its the long term pain for UK plc that concerns me. Looking forward to the bit where we are a self governing state whatever that means. 🥱 Yeah I get that and at the end of the day neither of us can guarantee if brexit will ultimately be good or bad for UK, but then, that's why we had a democratic referendum to decide, leave won and it is right that we now leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: Yeah I get that and at the end of the day neither of us can guarantee if brexit will ultimately be good or bad for UK, but then, that's why we had a democratic referendum to decide, leave won and it is right that we now leave. I think we left already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 2 hours ago, oowee said: I think we left already. Not yet we haven't, replacing it with a new agreement that is the same as membership is not what was voted for, we will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnie Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 17 hours ago, AVB said: Fishing is a massive bargaining chip. It is worth relatively little in financial terms to us but a lot more to the French. I hear what you are saying regarding political suicide but would you want him to sacrifice the city (which funds the rest of the U.K.) in order to increase our fishing rights? And let’s remember that the EU could easily close down their market to U.K. fish so the extra fish would be worth little. I hear this a lot THE CITY what product does the city produce in my eyes its just open casino if all the city businesses called in their money and paid out whatever they owe how many could do it just legal plate spinning. Fishing farming production keep things running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 12 hours ago, grrclark said: Sadly Steve I don't think fishing will slow down in any respect. I agree with you too. Your right but then Iceland has the best reserves of fish in the N Atlantic and also Norway. both have effective exclusion zones ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Konnie said: I hear this a lot THE CITY what product does the city produce in my eyes its just open casino if all the city businesses called in their money and paid out whatever they owe how many could do it just legal plate spinning. Fishing farming production keep things running. The City is very real and pays most of our wages, pensions and pretty much oils the rest of everything else. It's not just Finance and banking its the plethora of professional services that go alongside it. If your lucky you eat fish on a Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 I had no idea whether or not it was true then in the early '80s - or is now - but remember a poster on the wall of the classroom at the Noffolk College of Agriculture that I'd hired on behalf of BASC which explained in certain respects commercial fishing was a pointless exercise as the energy expended in putting it on a plate was equal to that gained from eating it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, wymberley said: I had no idea whether or not it was true then in the early '80s - or is now - but remember a poster on the wall of the classroom at the Noffolk College of Agriculture that I'd hired on behalf of BASC which explained in certain respects commercial fishing was a pointless exercise as the energy expended in putting it on a plate was equal to that gained from eating it. the same can be said.for chasing bloody pheasants all over the place for a shot...........never mind the energy the dog spends and the fuel you put in the 4x4 driving there and back...and wrestling with the bird to pluck it and the temperature and energy of the oven...and the bin man taking the leftovers and the compactors working at the tip..... not very carbon friendy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 2 hours ago, wymberley said: I had no idea whether or not it was true then in the early '80s - or is now - but remember a poster on the wall of the classroom at the Noffolk College of Agriculture that I'd hired on behalf of BASC which explained in certain respects commercial fishing was a pointless exercise as the energy expended in putting it on a plate was equal to that gained from eating it. That would only be potentially relevant if the entity (person) involved in the capture and processing was also the person that consumed the fish. In a way that would be catabolic and could apply to numerous food sources (even if not the food itself). Pardon the pun but a bit of red herring me thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: That would only be potentially relevant if the entity (person) involved in the capture and processing was also the person that consumed the fish. In a way that would be catabolic and could apply to numerous food sources (even if not the food itself). Pardon the pun but a bit of red herring me thinks. Far too rich for me. I like it simple, If we were to use more energy to produce our food than we obtain from it, then we're done for. Simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Christopher Jones Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) On 27/10/2020 at 09:07, Vince Green said: https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1352535/Brexit-news-UK-EU-trade-talks-latest-no-deal-update-Germany-France The remainers said we were uneducated little Britainers who didn't understand And how much have we spent for no return, £47Bn to date No doubt those rich folk in the ERG will consider it well spent as they can still use ghost companies to hide there wealth from prying eyes Edited October 28, 2020 by Capt Christopher Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 Just now, wymberley said: Far too rich for me. I like it simple, If we were to use more energy to produce our food than we obtain from it, then we're done for. Simple. Simplistically, I would agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 has anybody ever asked what the fish think ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, ditchman said: has anybody ever asked what the fish think ? Do try to keep up, why do you think they call it a 'think tank'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, ditchman said: has anybody ever asked what the fish think ? 😂😂😂🐠 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 7 hours ago, wymberley said: I like it simple, If we were to use more energy to produce our food than we obtain from it, then we're done for. Simple. Interesting point. Not wanting to divert the topic but I bet this is the case with all food production in UK except maybe home grown veg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 the dwindeling fish stocks worry me............just the other day my mate doing some beach casting observed dolfins flying skywards squeaking..."bye ...and thanks for all the fish..."...... you just know there is going to be some trouble.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 31 minutes ago, ditchman said: the dwindeling fish stocks worry me............just the other day my mate doing some beach casting observed dolfins flying skywards squeaking..."bye ...and thanks for all the fish..."...... you just know there is going to be some trouble.... Maybe but lets face it News at 10 was great back in the day when we had gun boats at war with the Icelanders, in Cod Wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, oowee said: Maybe but lets face it News at 10 was great back in the day when we had gun boats at war with the Icelanders, in Cod Wars. When the Russians fired on our trawler fleet, the Royal Navy prepared to dispatch 28 battleships and accompanying cruisers etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogger_Bank_incident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 then our fisherman started to throw potatoes at them...................and the patrol boats had cutters on then to cut the wharps arrrrr the good old days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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