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29 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

However badly the Tories do, Labour come up with a way of making them look better than Labour. It has to be a gift, as it is something that seems to come so easily.

This. Corbyn is poison, and has thankfully reignited the class hatred which is always on a slow burner, that many of his devotees have for those they deem as privileged, whilst striving for everything they have. 
The hilarious thing is that the party voted a person with title into leadership! 😀

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Labour has 'structural' problems;

Fundamental to this is that the 'leader' is really mainly the leader of the 'Parliamentary Labour Party' (PLP) - i.e. the MPs. 

The main party is governed by the National Executive Committee (NEC) - which is made up of a much broader base including the Parliamentary Party, the Trades Unions, Constituency Labour parties and socialist societies.  It makes the main decisions - backed up by votes in the party conference.

Choice of candidates (potential MPs and local elected representatives) is (in recent times) the remit of the constituency party and the NEC, not the parliamentary party.

The problem for the 'leader' is that he is 'leading' the PLP, and nominal  'party leader', but not leading the Party in that it is governed and policy, rules etc. set by the NEC.

This set up leaves fundamental control in the hands of the bodies mainly controlled by the 'activist' element - who are in general much further to the left than the average voter (or trade union member).  This was encouraged under the Corbyn years because it was seen as consolidating the hold of the left.  Many MPs were uncomfortable with this - and attempts were made to 'deselect' the more centrist MPs and replace them with left wing candidates.

It is much the same problem Kinnock had - and in the Blair years it was suppressed, but returned post Blair/Brown with a vengeance selecting Corbyn.  Can Starmer banish it or suppress it?  Corbyn and his cronies significantly 'tweaked' the structure of the whole party machine to consolidate the hold of the left.  Has he left a structure that will block Starmer?  The fact that Corbyn has been reinstated as a member suggests that at present Starmer is on the back foot.

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5 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Indeed. But as we have often said, experience is one thing, but when you get to Ditchmans age it really is time to put your feet up and relax.

watching "YOUR" comments with interest...........................................................................................................(not):P:P

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11 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

He has failed to retract his words and failed to apologise.

More shame on a once great party of the ordinary working man.

It has not been the party for the working man for over twenty years

It is the party for rich Socialists, Communists, mass immigration and the work shy

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8 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

Labour has 'structural' problems;

Fundamental to this is that the 'leader' is really mainly the leader of the 'Parliamentary Labour Party' (PLP) - i.e. the MPs. 

The main party is governed by the National Executive Committee (NEC) - which is made up of a much broader base including the Parliamentary Party, the Trades Unions, Constituency Labour parties and socialist societies.  It makes the main decisions - backed up by votes in the party conference.

Choice of candidates (potential MPs and local elected representatives) is (in recent times) the remit of the constituency party and the NEC, not the parliamentary party.

The problem for the 'leader' is that he is 'leading' the PLP, and nominal  'party leader', but not leading the Party in that it is governed and policy, rules etc. set by the NEC.

This set up leaves fundamental control in the hands of the bodies mainly controlled by the 'activist' element - who are in general much further to the left than the average voter (or trade union member).  This was encouraged under the Corbyn years because it was seen as consolidating the hold of the left.  Many MPs were uncomfortable with this - and attempts were made to 'deselect' the more centrist MPs and replace them with left wing candidates.

It is much the same problem Kinnock had - and in the Blair years it was suppressed, but returned post Blair/Brown with a vengeance selecting Corbyn.  Can Starmer banish it or suppress it?  Corbyn and his cronies significantly 'tweaked' the structure of the whole party machine to consolidate the hold of the left.  Has he left a structure that will block Starmer?  The fact that Corbyn has been reinstated as a member suggests that at present Starmer is on the back foot.

Correct.

Sir Kier Starmer has shown some backbone to remove the Whip from Jezza, although he had little choice. This fracture between PLP and NEC will rumble for years. 

If BoJo could just bin off his bit on the side and old school chum then Fieldsports would be safe for the foreseeable. 

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16 minutes ago, Mice! said:

They've just said on the news that Starmer has prevented Corbyn from becoming an MP again so Starmer obviously hasn't rolled over.

On the topic of Starmer I was very happy seeing him at the Cenotaph for the remembrance service instead of Corbyn. 

I think that I might be starting to warm to starmer . 

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18 minutes ago, Mice! said:

They've just said on the news that Starmer has prevented Corbyn from becoming an MP again so Starmer obviously hasn't rolled over.

On the topic of Starmer I was very happy seeing him at the Cenotaph for the remembrance service instead of Corbyn. 

Starmer is an accomplished politician; he knows how to behave and is an educated man.  he does show (and I think genuinely has) respect for our fallen.  I don't like Labour policies, but as a person, he knows how to behave.

The same cannot be said for Corbyn, who has stood side by side with those who have deliberately targeted our fallen.  I will say no more that I find Corbyn about as 'low' as you can get.

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14 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Starmer is an accomplished politician; he knows how to behave and is an educated man.  he does show (and I think genuinely has) respect for our fallen.  I don't like Labour policies, but as a person, he knows how to behave.

The same cannot be said for Corbyn, who has stood side by side with those who have deliberately targeted our fallen.  I will say no more that I find Corbyn about as 'low' as you can get.

Agree 👍

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1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

Starmer is an accomplished politician; he knows how to behave and is an educated man.  he does show (and I think genuinely has) respect for our fallen.  I don't like Labour policies, but as a person, he knows how to behave.

The same cannot be said for Corbyn, who has stood side by side with those who have deliberately targeted our fallen.  I will say no more that I find Corbyn about as 'low' as you can get.

Exactly,  Corbyn usually looks like he's deliberately found a coat from the garage to look like a scruff on a day that calls for respect.

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