SGC renewal questions asked on form about use of sg.

[hwr]

Friend of mine Oxfordshire way was filling out forms today, said it asked what he would be using his guns for.

My answer was “ shooting.”

I always thought that it was your right to have a SGC but you need permission to have a FAC. Am I correct?

I’ll be calling BSAC tomorrow but just wanted your opinions.

Thanks

H.

 

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, he could put, clay pigeon shooting, game shooting, pest control, it would be a much broader approach to the question

[hwr]

28 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, he could put, clay pigeon shooting, game shooting, pest control, it would be a much broader approach to the question

Morning OPP

I agree, I think that’s a good idea. 
To be honest what else can you legally use one for?

However where’s the question coming from and why, it smells of authority creep to me.

Cheers

H

[oldypigeonpopper]

37 minutes ago, hwr said:

Morning OPP

I agree, I think that’s a good idea. 
To be honest what else can you legally use one for?

However where’s the question coming from and why, it smells of authority creep to me.

Cheers

H

Hello, that is what I have always put on my applications, including TVP, the FEO will ask your friend on his home visit, 

Edited November 3, 2020 by oldypigeonpopper

[mossy835]

if they are starting to ask this why,never knowing this befor.

[blackbird]

Next renewal it will ask “ can you give details of the land you have permission to shoot on” 🤬🤬🤬

Edited November 3, 2020 by blackbird

[Farmboy91]

As far as I'm aware you are correct and an SGC is a right and they shouldn't be able to refuse because you don't give a reason.

I simply said a few clays and a bit local pest control. I had written permission for two bits of ground but he wasn't interested in seeing them. 

If your genuine I don't see why you wouldn't have a good reason anyway. When my missus applied we didn't live together at the time and a stipulation of hers was that she wasn't allowed any guns to be kept at her mum and dad's house. All the dealings I've had with feo's makes me fairly confident they are thorough, and I'm glad of it too.

 

Edited November 3, 2020 by Farmboy91
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[Mr.C]

That may be so however I was asked for what purpose I wanted a shotgun on my visit on application years ago.  In my case it was for clays and I was quizzed about where and if was a member of the club. Don't think it's unreasonable to ask. 

Edited November 3, 2020 by Mr.C
Deleted use of cheap stereotype to illustrate the argument.

[DUNKS]

Could it just be that they are keen to discover what percentage of shooters are --clay shooters-- game shooters or collectors.

[ehb102]

More likely one of those questions to which the answer could give a clue that the respondent is not a suitable person to own a shotgun. 

Q. Why do you want a shotgun?

A: For self-protection

A: To kill all the things

A: IT'S MY RIGHT AS AN ENGLISH CITIZEN TO BEAR ARMS! 

 

[toontastic]

As the form covers both fac and sgc has he just misread the form, and is referring to a section intended for fac

Edited November 3, 2020 by toontastic

[Farmboy91]

2 hours ago, Mr.C said:

That may be so however I was asked for what purpose I wanted a shotgun on my visit on application years ago.  In my case it was for clays and I was quizzed about where and if was a member of the club. Don't think it's unreasonable to ask. 

No, not unreasonable at all.

I like to think the interview with the feo weeds out anyone unsuitable. 

[Vince Green]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Next renewal it will ask “ can you give details of the land you have permission to shoot on” 🤬🤬🤬

And what clay clubs you are a member of, that's commonly asked round these parts, i have been asked that years ago

thin end of the wedge

you are not going to put down robbing banks are you?

Edited November 3, 2020 by Vince Green

[Scully]

For ‘sporting purposes’. You don’t need ‘good reason’ as per FAC, but if you don’t state a reason why you want one you won’t get it. 
It’s a fallacy that you don’t need a reason, you do. 

[harkom]

I suppose you should return the question to sender "What do You think a gun is for ???"

 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

3 minutes ago, harkom said:

I suppose you should return the question to sender "What do You think a gun is for ???"

Yes I am sure that would see an expeditious end to the process!

[harkom]

Yup, sometimes this format pulls up a jobsworth in his/her tracks. Try it sometime....

[Scully]

16 minutes ago, harkom said:

Yup, sometimes this format pulls up a jobsworth in his/her tracks. Try it sometime....

Possibly works on jobsworths, but it won’t work on licensing. 🙂

[mossy835]

i have renewed many a time, and never been asked why i need a gun.

[London Best]

A friend in Cumbria was asked on renewal where he was going to use his shotgun. His reply was, “anywhere I am invited.”

[Scully]

33 minutes ago, mossy835 said:

i have renewed many a time, and never been asked why i need a gun.

Me neither. 

[GingerCat]

I've been asked every time across 2 different forces and the last 20 years. Clays and game covered it and nothing more was asked. 

[greylag]

Never been asked in all the years I have renewed SGC.

[AVB]

When I renewed about a year ago I was asked, during the visit, to provide names and contact details of people I shot with. I refused. This was Essex Police. 

[Raja Clavata]

On initial application, if asked, just say clays and be able to name a local ground. No further questions likely to be asked.

Both my last SGC & FAC renewals did not involve a visit - Met Police.