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Hi All, 

 

Getting back into some reloading after re-joining the wildfowling club now I have time to get back out again.

 

I used to use the following

76mm case, 36 grains Alliant Steel, Vagner VP70 wad with 3mm cork, 32g no3 with 3mm cork on the end. 1458fps.

 

Can I use this load with a BB fill or do I really need to stick to the suggested 3,5mm (#3 shot).

 

If not does anyone have an Alliant steel 3" (76mm) recipe I could use with BB shot?

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17 minutes ago, cookoff013 said:

This link has left me none the wiser? 

 

They're talking about a load thats never been tested?

3 Fed 0.090 Intergral BW 1 1/4 Steel 1,355 Fed 209A Steel Precision Reloading TUPRW123 33 10,500 1/2 inch felt spacer under shot
3 Fed 0.090 Intergral BW 1 1/4 Steel 1,370 Fed 209A Steel Ballistic Products #3221230 33 10,500 1/2 inch felt spacer under shot
3 Fed 0.090 Intergral BW 1 1/4 Steel 1,435 Fed 209A Steel Reloading Specialities 12 ga 3" 37 10,800 1/2 inch felt spacer under shot

 

 

Alliant have these on their site.

 

The last one looks interesting/good. But I cant seem to find the "Reloading Specialities 12 ga 3" " wad.....

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Here is a load I've been given and loaded a lot of. Known as the holy grail load a cross the pond.

76mm chedite case bp, sam1 or similar steel wad, 36grains of A steel powder CX 2000 primer, six star crimp. 

If using a maxam case use a 209 primer as primer hole in maxam cases are bigger.

You can drop a grain or add a grain of powder. 35 gr of powder is nice a little slower but good patterns, 37gr can blow the pattern and kicks a bit more. 36gr was the happy medium. Run at around 1450 fps for the 37grain load and 1400 for the 36 grain.

Have a look via search and some should come up.

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hi  is the above 36gram  just checking .......i bought the ballistics status of steel  book . they seem to prefer fast light payloads keeping the pellet count comparable to lead .

has anyone tried any of those recipes in 10g ,12g ...3  31/2  in Alliant steel cheers 

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Hi you can find data for 10gauge on ballistics products website, number 151002-7246 l used 3.8mm and 151005-7250 l used 4.5mm. I have loaded them and they are very good. I have data for 12gauge but I don’t load steel in 12gauge. The data is for Cheditte cases and primers . I can send you a copy of the data. I’m not good with using the computer l can the experts later to do it for me later. Good luck with your loading.

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Yes it's 36gram load of steel shot as that's where A Steel powder starts to work best. If your wanting to load 32g try blue dot or a maxam powder. Load recipes on their websites.

I use the 36g load data as I buy all my 32g carts, not worth loading. Factory 32g are more than good enough. 

If you want BB shot move up to 36g to get enough shot for a pattern.

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23 hours ago, figgy said:

Yes it's 36gram load of steel shot as that's where A Steel powder starts to work best. If your wanting to load 32g try blue dot or a maxam powder. Load recipes on their websites.

I use the 36g load data as I buy all my 32g carts, not worth loading. Factory 32g are more than good enough. 

If you want BB shot move up to 36g to get enough shot for a pattern.

 

You got it. 

 

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On 30/11/2020 at 08:19, iamspuddy said:

hi  is the above 36gram  just checking .......i bought the ballistics status of steel  book . they seem to prefer fast light payloads keeping the pellet count comparable to lead .

has anyone tried any of those recipes in 10g ,12g ...3  31/2  in Alliant steel cheers 

I load 10 bore3.5” using cheddite case, 42 gns A Steel and 42gms steel shot in a multi metal wad with 6 star crimp. I use either BB or BBB. This is a first class load and used by everyone I know up here that use the 10.

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On 02/12/2020 at 12:44, Dave at kelton said:

I load 10 bore3.5” using cheddite case, 42 gns A Steel and 42gms steel shot in a multi metal wad with 6 star crimp. I use either BB or BBB. This is a first class load and used by everyone I know up here that use the 10.

I've used the same load in a 12 bore 31/2" case, it was fast and works. 

With A Steel it seems to be a rule of thumb to use the same numbers for shot and powder. 36g shot with 36grains of A Steel powder. 42grams and 42grains.

I was worried about it being hot but some members had been using it for years.👍

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33 minutes ago, figgy said:

I've used the same load in a 12 bore 31/2" case, it was fast and works. 

With A Steel it seems to be a rule of thumb to use the same numbers for shot and powder. 36g shot with 36grains of A Steel powder. 42grams and 42grains.

I was worried about it being hot but some members had been using it for years.👍

In 3” 12 the boys who load here use 38 A steel with 34 gms shot

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45 minutes ago, figgy said:

I've used the same load in a 12 bore 31/2" case, it was fast and works. 

With A Steel it seems to be a rule of thumb to use the same numbers for shot and powder. 36g shot with 36grains of A Steel powder. 42grams and 42grains.

I was worried about it being hot but some members had been using it for years.👍

😳😳 , il guarantee you that 42/42 in a 12 bore is waaay over pressure and you’ve not even stated what wad to use ? There is a world of difference in pressures between a sam1 and a TPS wad in the same loads ,with sam 1 creating less pressure than any other steel wad 

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14 minutes ago, allanm said:

😳😳 , il guarantee you that 42/42 in a 12 bore is waaay over pressure and you’ve not even stated what wad to use ? There is a world of difference in pressures between a sam1 and a TPS wad in the same loads ,with sam 1 creating less pressure than any other steel wad 

I would agree with you on that as I've a tested load that's 42 grain pushing 39gram and it's a midgys d!ck under the limit on pressure. So 42 pushing 42 will be over. 

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1 hour ago, m greeny said:

I would agree with you on that as I've a tested load that's 42 grain pushing 39gram and it's a midgys d!ck under the limit on pressure. So 42 pushing 42 will be over. 

 

On 02/12/2020 at 12:44, Dave at kelton said:

I load 10 bore3.5” using cheddite case, 42 gns A Steel and 42gms steel shot in a multi metal wad with 6 star crimp. I use either BB or BBB. This is a first class load and used by everyone I know up here that use the 10.

so is 42 42 in a 12    different to 42 42 in a 10 

pressure wise as i appreciate the volume is bigger in the 10 so does that tip it under?

 

i have both sam1 and tps wads 

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5 minutes ago, iamspuddy said:

 

so is 42 42 in a 12    different to 42 42 in a 10 

pressure wise as i appreciate the volume is bigger in the 10 so does that tip it under?

 

i have both sam1 and tps wads 

I can’t say because I haven’t tested it in 12. In the 12 I use Gamebore Mammoth cartridges in BB. I would though be interested to learn.

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48 minutes ago, Dave at kelton said:

I can’t say because I haven’t tested it in 12. In the 12 I use Gamebore Mammoth cartridges in BB. I would though be interested to learn.

im liking the sound of your 10g load i guess you still have all your fingers .....tps or sam 1  or something else   i am after a good a steel 10g load 

thanks  

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On 30/11/2020 at 10:04, Gas seal said:

Hi you can find data for 10gauge on ballistics products website, number 151002-7246 l used 3.8mm and 151005-7250 l used 4.5mm. I have loaded them and they are very good. I have data for 12gauge but I don’t load steel in 12gauge. The data is for Cheditte cases and primers . I can send you a copy of the data. I’m not good with using the computer l can the experts later to do it for me later. Good luck with your loading.

thanks ive just looked them up 42  /38.5g  1425fps looks good 

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