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bad news x ray shows not loose screws but broken screws they said if they put bigger screws in

the chance is the bones will become weaker good chance it will brake again better to have leg 

taken off so that is what we will do

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Feel sorry for your dog fella, because he's the one who can't do anything about it 😕 Also, to my untrained eyes, that 'fix' just doesn't look right ? Looks like a screw just whacked through the joint like it was a bit of furniture 😳

IMO 🤷‍♂️

Anyway, best of luck, and hopefully there will be many more years of fun for, and with your dog 👍

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I am not a vet but that just does not look right, a lab is a big dog and that small screw on its own just does not look up to the job, a mates spaniel had a broken leg and it had two plates either side of the brake held on with four screws in each plate, I would be looking at giving the dog one last chance and asking for a referral.

Not sure if you can afford it or if you have the dog insured and they will cover it, but I would ask for a referral, one that obviously springs to mind is “Super Vet” Fitzpatrick Referrals, don't think they are far from you...https://www.fitzpatrickreferrals.co.uk/services/orthopaedic/

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was not insured  also out of work due to corvid    live in a flat been taking up and  lifting him up and down stairs for the last four months 

now on pain killers for back ache this way he will get rid of arthritis and be able to play again in a couple of weeks

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14 minutes ago, jcbbracken said:

was not insured  also out of work due to corvid    live in a flat been taking up and  lifting him up and down stairs for the last four months 

now on pain killers for back ache this way he will get rid of arthritis and be able to play again in a couple of weeks

Blimey mate, sorry to hear your predicament, well I guess in those circumstances you have given your dog the best chance, hope everything goes well for you and your dog in the future. Good luck. :good:

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If it was a horse it would be shot, and a few years ago a dog would have been put down with such a severe injury. You did your best but the leg is not salvageable. It is never an easy call but better than prolong suffering. I can’t bear seeing old aged dogs being treated for cancer etc. 

Perhaps for peace of mind seek a second opinion from PDSA as per Lloyd’s suggestion?

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15 hours ago, Lloyd90 said:

Go to PDSA if you lost your job mate. Best of luck.

 

How old is the dog again? 

pdsa will not help they have to many dogs to deal with now due to corvid  people out of work

Just now, jcbbracken said:

pdsa will not help they have to many dogs to deal with now due to corvid  people out of work  my dog will be 8 come march

 

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On 12/11/2020 at 21:23, WalkedUp said:

If it was a horse it would be shot, and a few years ago a dog would have been put down with such a severe injury. You did your best but the leg is not salvageable. It is never an easy call but better than prolong suffering. I can’t bear seeing old aged dogs being treated for cancer etc. 

Perhaps for peace of mind seek a second opinion from PDSA as per Lloyd’s suggestion?

 

Lots of people having major surgeries on dogs these days. Sadly I think they don't always think of the impact on the dog. Smashed shoulders and elbows is common one, then they want to take the dog out working in the cold where it's going to be in a lot of pain with those injuries. 

 

I think I read on the other thread that the lab is 8 years old. 

 

I personally wouldn't take his leg off myself. Although its not my decision so easy for me to say that. I would let him go peacefully.

I recently had a slightly similar position to you mate, my old lab had a lump in her back leg, I decided to PTS as at her age didn't want to put her through such a massive surgery and didn't think she would have much quality of life afterwards, although she was 2 years older I think. 

 

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1 hour ago, Lloyd90 said:

 

Lots of people having major surgeries on dogs these days. Sadly I think they don't always think of the impact on the dog. Smashed shoulders and elbows is common one, then they want to take the dog out working in the cold where it's going to be in a lot of pain with those injuries. 

 

I think I read on the other thread that the lab is 8 years old. 

 

I personally wouldn't take his leg off myself. Although its not my decision so easy for me to say that. I would let him go peacefully.

I recently had a slightly similar position to you mate, my old lab had a lump in her back leg, I decided to PTS as at her age didn't want to put her through such a massive surgery and didn't think she would have much quality of life afterwards, although she was 2 years older I think. 

 

I'm not so sure on that one, you could be correct but I've also seen many dogs older than the ops that have lead full lives after that type of surgery, I'd definitely get an opinion of a specialist, but I absolutely agree with your post that if there's no real prospect of a decent recovery or life afterwards pts sleep is kinder sometimes. 

To the op, get an expert opinion. 

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I have avoided posting on this topic to date but had a similar experience with a springer some time ago. Smashed the elbow on a shoot and discussed with the vet who advised that repairing an elbow adequately to still work was almost impossible and recommended the leg off. This was a hard working eight year old that was fearless. We discussed the psychological effect of not being able to come out with the others and being left in the kennels on a shoot day. I took the difficult decision to euthanise rather than put him through it all. That was a tough time but I feel it was the correct decision.

Good luck with whatever you do.

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1 minute ago, Dave at kelton said:

I have avoided posting on this topic to date but had a similar experience with a springer some time ago. Smashed the elbow on a shoot and discussed with the vet who advised that repairing an elbow adequately to still work was almost impossible and recommended the leg off. This was a hard working eight year old that was fearless. We discussed the psychological effect of not being able to come out with the others and being left in the kennels on a shoot day. I took the difficult decision to euthanise rather than put him through it all. That was a tough time but I feel it was the correct decision.

Good luck with whatever you do.

B......... h.... that was a tuff. decision to make. It's very hard to step back and try to be impartial.  

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16 minutes ago, Dave at kelton said:

I have avoided posting on this topic to date but had a similar experience with a springer some time ago. Smashed the elbow on a shoot and discussed with the vet who advised that repairing an elbow adequately to still work was almost impossible and recommended the leg off. This was a hard working eight year old that was fearless. We discussed the psychological effect of not being able to come out with the others and being left in the kennels on a shoot day. I took the difficult decision to euthanise rather than put him through it all. That was a tough time but I feel it was the correct decision.

Good luck with whatever you do.

You chose what was best for the dog, rather than what was the easy decision for your conscious. 

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