Realale Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 What are the benefits and has anyone any experience with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 I had a small quantity and tried it in my 410 loads and it did seem to group very slightly better than lead but not sufficient to pay more for it. I do not believe the bird would notice the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 52 minutes ago, Walker570 said: I had a small quantity and tried it in my 410 loads and it did seem to group very slightly better than lead but not sufficient to pay more for it. I do not believe the bird would notice the difference. And it stops corrosion of the shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realale Posted November 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 What are the benefits of this and has anyone any experience with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 Corrosion protection. I no use. Jus make shells, seal them in bags of 5. Going back and forth from cold / hot causes condensation issues. (Low shell usage). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 Hi yes it’s for corrosion protection. I’ve loaded copper coated l don’t think it’s any different but it looks good. I’m loading 3.8mm steel with TSS it looks very strange, ones tiny silver and ones large gold. I’ve enclosed a photo of a steel cartridge found on the marsh, cant tell if it was copper coated. When I opened it the powder was still dry . It could be better if Steel cartridges could be loaded using transparent cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Gas seal said: Hi yes it’s for corrosion protection. I’ve loaded copper coated l don’t think it’s any different but it looks good. I’m loading 3.8mm steel with TSS it looks very strange, ones tiny silver and ones large gold. I’ve enclosed a photo of a steel cartridge found on the marsh, cant tell if it was copper coated. When I opened it the powder was still dry . It could be better if Steel cartridges could be loaded using transparent cases. That's terrifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 55 minutes ago, PeterHenry said: That's terrifying. How so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 Possibly at some point in the future with the use of hydroscopic biodegradable wads and steel shoot, cartridges will come with a use by date, unless like eley are doing welding the petals together totally excludes moisture ingress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 50 minutes ago, motty said: How so? Imagine pulling the trigger with that thing in the chamber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 Hi it looks worse on the photo. It would (shake apart) with the recoil. I don’t know how long it was on the marsh . I have a lead cartridge in the same condition the powder was dry as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 45 minutes ago, PeterHenry said: Imagine pulling the trigger with that thing in the chamber. Why would anyone use a cartridge that they had found on the marsh? Still, I doubt there would be any problem firing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 5 hours ago, PeterHenry said: That's terrifying. Emphasises the chances of balled shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 2 hours ago, motty said: Why would anyone use a cartridge that they had found on the marsh? Still, I doubt there would be any problem firing it. I agree with you there - but someone may well reuse a cartridge that's been caught in a downpour - I've been known on occasion to leave the top of my cartridge bag open during a drive where the heavens have opened. Or alternatively, I've found drenched cartridges in the pockets of my barbour after a day walked up shooting in the rain. I always understood one of the problems with the early steel cartridges was the peices of shot rusting together - obviously that has ramifications for the distance / power it will travel / retain - but I bet the barells wouldent remain unscathed if something as pictured above went through them. 3 hours ago, Gas seal said: Hi it looks worse on the photo. It would (shake apart) with the recoil. I don’t know how long it was on the marsh . I have a lead cartridge in the same condition the powder was dry as well. I take your point, but soft lead is one thing, steel is (to my understanding) another. I wouldent want to take my chances. 2 minutes ago, wymberley said: Emphasises the chances of balled shot. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 Who would use a cartridge they found on the marsh? Most farmers I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 Hi the first steel shot I loaded had a type of dust covering for rust protection. When loading it was dirty a bit like graphite. The photo was from summer to show a friend what l was using to shoot the pigeons with. I had a couple of tubes from over ten years ago so I loaded it. Now steel is shiny or copper plated, it all works well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, motty said: How so? bulged barrels solid slug witnessed both using last years loads still in jacket pockets chucked in a bag under the front seat in the boot didnt rattle they dont undo in the barrel i have decanted some shells powder and primer ok steel shot a solid rusty lump welded together sloid lump hitting it with a hammer didnt break it up extreme heat needed oxy acetalize imagine a releasing a rusty nut i load fresh for the salt marsh load as many as you like then put 25 in a sealed box or two from cabelas or sandwich box from boys and replenish three in the gun if they dont rattle next week dont use steel rust on the foreshore faster than anything else reload your own shot and environment be safe motty just because you hadn't seen it you haven't been round long enough it still exists learn something be safe be quiet and despite shot type learn something new every day you are a passionate wildfowler but please learn others have been round far longer than you who are still learning why cant you please learn knowledge is key dismiss nothing learned Edited November 28, 2020 by Saltings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) I've dropped a pocket full into the water when I slipped crossing a stretch on more than one occasion, quick dip and dry they were fine. Others the rain came sideways and soaked my waterproof bag through the too.flap. got home dumped all my gear in garage hanging to drop dry. Never once thought in my bag had gotten wet just the carts in my pocket. Next day when I opened my bag it was swimming with two inches of water. Carts were left to dry for weeks, the shot isn't stuck together and they work fine. Modern shot has a coating from factory. Any who are bothered, smear the crimp with petroleum jelly and seal the primer with clear nail varnish. Edited November 28, 2020 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 Hi another photo of a steel cartridge and a lead shot cartridge. I’ve been given many found cartridges to (cut up) over the years and the Winchester lead cartridge (brass) could be well rusted and the components would be bone dry inside. The crimps were sealed and it worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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