Police charge 32 men with almost 200 sex offences against eight girls

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, Stuarta said:

 I feel betrayed and let down by the pathetic way our government and the authorities have dealt with these Pakistani gangs over many years. I have even less respect for people behind this report who try to hide the truth by widening the report remit and persons who then use the report to defend these Pakistani gangs. 

I hope you agree there is certainly more to it than many of the offenders simply being Pakistani, but I think I get what your saying. 

[Mice!]

7 hours ago, henry d said:

Thanks for posting the link. In response to many assumptions made by some here I found this summed it up well;

"A simplistic view that the mere fact of being ‘Asian’ is in itself explanatory of their behaviour, is dangerous not only because it is unjust and offensive to the wider community who share a South East Asian heritage. It is also dangerous because such simplistic presumptions represent a meaningless over-generalisation, that is positively unhelpful if we wish to understand why these men behaved in the way they did and therefore help to protect other potential victims. Such an approach fails to consider the combination of personal, cultural and opportunistic factors that are understood to create the conditions for sexual offending."

That makes perfect sense Henry, because when I see an Asian person I don't think 'I bet they are in a grooming gang' but when I see a headline saying Grooming gangs charged,  I fully expect them to be from an Asian background. 

3 hours ago, Newbie to this said:

I know I am taking this out of context, but racism seems to have everything to do with their choice of victim, and until this is addressed, we will never get to the root of the cause.

Can you imagine the outrage if it was white gangs grooming and raping young vulnerable Asian girls, that wouldn't be covered up.

[Rewulf]

7 minutes ago, Mice! said:

That makes perfect sense Henry, because when I see an Asian person I don't think 'I bet they are in a grooming gang' but when I see a headline saying Grooming gangs charged,  I fully expect them to be from an Asian background. 

Thats because , usually , they are.

The report disagrees with your view though, so you must be a racist.

10 minutes ago, Mice! said:

Can you imagine the outrage if it was white gangs grooming and raping young vulnerable Asian girls, that wouldn't be covered up.

Despite the fact that this never actually happens, just thinking this probably makes you a racist, especially if youre white.

Because the report says its mostly white men who commit this sort of crime, and its a government report , so it must be true.
Dont question it , or that makes you a tin foil hat wearing racist too.

[clangerman]

if the biggest portion of nonces are not middle aged white men what colour are the endless stream who show up in the media nobody is that colour blind 

[oscarsdad]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Thats because , usually , they are.

The report disagrees with your view though, so you must be a racist.

Despite the fact that this never actually happens, just thinking this probably makes you a racist, especially if youre white.

Because the report says its mostly white men who commit this sort of crime, and its a government report , so it must be true.
Dont question it , or that makes you a tin foil hat wearing racist too.

I agree, although if I was a Sikh of Indian descent I’d be rather aggrieved that the reports use such a wide ranging term as “Asian” rather than “Pakistani Muslim”. 

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, clangerman said:

if the biggest portion of nonces are not middle aged white men what colour are the endless stream who show up in the media nobody is that colour blind 

Your right the vast majority of sex offenders in this country are white. This thread is about a very narrow crime which has had huge impact across the country, someone else made a good post about it earlier in the thread. The unusual thing about grooming gangs is why a large network of predominately male, Muslims, of Pakistani origin are committing that specific offence and what can be done about it. Its certainly not about tarring all Muslims, Pakistanis, or men with the same brush. I can't see what's so hard to understand. 

34 minutes ago, oscarsdad said:

I agree, although if I was a Sikh of Indian descent I’d be rather aggrieved that the reports use such a wide ranging term as “Asian” rather than “Pakistani Muslim”. 

Good point. 

[clangerman]

16 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

. The unusual thing about grooming gangs is why a large network of predominately male, Muslims, of Pakistani origin are committing that specific offence and what can be done about it. 

probably greater family values prevent them targeting family members which seems to be the preferred way of white men offending which makes no difference all should be hung who molest children 

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, clangerman said:

probably greater family values prevent them targeting family members which seems to be the preferred way of white men offending which makes no difference all should be hung who molest children 

I very much doubt it since it is predatory behaviour, which in other sexual offenders who are prodominantly white, will usually target strangers. But who knows, that's why it needs proper investigation. 

[Newbie to this]

This guy gets it

[clangerman]

2 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I very much doubt it since it is predatory behaviour, which in other sexual offenders who are prodominantly white, will usually target strangers. But who knows, that's why it needs proper investigation. 

you get my vote they are all sick actually had a council official tell me once they are obliged to house pedophiles unreal 

[12gauge82]

8 hours ago, clangerman said:

you get my vote they are all sick actually had a council official tell me once they are obliged to house pedophiles unreal 

Yes agreed, I see the councils point that they don't want sex offenders wandering about who are no fixed abode making it hard to monitor where they are. But if they never came back out of prison there wouldn't be that problem anyway. 

[oscarsdad]

2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

Yes agreed, I see the councils point that they don't want sex offenders wandering about who are no fixed abode making it hard to monitor where they are. But if they never came back out of prison there wouldn't be that problem anyway. 

Cremate them - know where they are then. 

[discobob]

57 minutes ago, oscarsdad said:

Cremate them - know where they are then. 

not if you scatter their ashes!!!

[henry d]

21 hours ago, Newbie to this said:

Why, does the colour of their victims change

If you read it you will find that the victims were not exclusively white!

[Rewulf]

14 minutes ago, henry d said:

If you read it you will find that the victims were not exclusively white!

Are you referring to this part ?

'Our understanding of victims’ experiences is therefore likely to be incomplete, and more reflective of those who do report than those who do not. We know, for instance, that boys, children with disabilities and children of minority ethnic backgrounds all face specific barriers to disclosure.20'

Where it says that there MAY have been victims of minority ethnic backgrounds, but they didnt report it ?
Thats a very poor argument !

Heres the relevant bit of the whitewash.

Key findings: • Research on offender ethnicity is limited, and tends to rely on poor quality data. It is therefore difficult to draw conclusions about differences in ethnicity of offenders, but it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending. • A number of studies have indicated an over-representation of Asian and Black offenders in group-based CSE. Most of the same studies show that the majority of offenders are White. • Community and cultural factors are, however, relevant to understanding and tackling offending. An approach to deterring, disrupting, and preventing offending that is sensitive to the communities in which offending occurs is needed. 75. There is a limited amount of research looking at the ethnicity of perpetrators of group-based CSE, which makes it difficult to draw conclusions about whether or not certain ethnicities are over-represented in this type of offending. What research there is tends to rely on poor-quality data, with issues in a number of areas: • Data in this space is reliant on ‘known’ or identified offending behaviour, therefore limiting our understanding of group-based CSE in its entirety. • Law enforcement data can be particularly vulnerable to bias, in terms of those cases that come to the attention of the authorities, and this can impact on the generalisability of such data.46 This can also lead to greater attention being paid to certain types of offenders, making that data more readily identified and recorded.47 • Police-collected data on ethnicity uses broad categories and requires the police to assign an ethnicity rather than it being self-reported by offenders. Data is therefore not always accurate; Berelowitz et al. (2012) observed cases of offenders being initially classed as ‘Asian’ but actually coming from other backgrounds, such as White British or Afghan. 45 Jay (2014) 46 Cockbain et al. (2020) 47 Berelowitz et al. (2012) Group-based Child Sexual Exploitation: Characteristics of Offending Page 26 of 57 • Data on ethnicity are not routinely or consistently collected by police forces and other agencies. As set out below, many research and evidence collections have a lot of missing or incomplete data. 76. A number of papers have reported on offender ethnicity in group-based CSE, typically as part of wider research in this space. Findings from these are summarised below: a. CEOP (2011) undertook a data collection with police forces, children’s services and specialist providers from the voluntary sector, looking at those allegedly involved in ‘street grooming’ and CSE. Data was returned on approximately 2,300 possible offenders, but approximately 1,100 were excluded from analysis due to a lack of basic information. In the remaining 1,200 cases, ethnicity data was unknown for 38% of them. Where data was available 30% of offenders were White, while 28% were Asian. Due to the amount of missing data, both basic offender information and ethnicity specifically, these figures should be treated with caution. b. Berelowitz et al. (2012) collected data from a range of agencies including local authorities, police forces and voluntary sector organisations on individuals known to be exploiting children. Around 1,500 individuals were identified, but there was no data on ethnicity for 21% of them. Where data was available, ‘White’ was the largest category. However, it should be noted that this data relates to a time period at least ten years ago when many agencies were less familiar with CSE. This work also did not distinguish between groups and gangs. c. In 2013 CEOP undertook a second piece of work in this space. Data was requested from all police forces in England and Wales on contact CSA, and responses were received from 31. Of the 52 groups where data provided was useable, half of the groups consisted of all Asian offenders, 11 were all White offenders, 4 were all Black, and 2 were exclusively Arab. There were nine groups where offenders came from a mix of ethnic backgrounds. Looking at the offenders across all groups, of the 306 offenders 75% were Asian. However, as with CEOP (2011) these figures should be treated with caution due to the amount of missing data. d. The Children’s Commissioner for England carried out work in 2014 looking at police data on CSE offenders (Berelowitz et al., 2015). Data was provided by 19 out of 43 police forces, showing nearly 4,000 offenders, 1,200 of whom were involved in group-based CSE. This study found that 42% were White or White British, 17% were Black or Black British, 14% were Asian or Asian British, and 4% had another ethnicity. No data on ethnicity was recorded in 22% of cases. As above (Berelowitz et al., 2012), it should be noted that when this work was carried out when many agencies were less familiar with CSE, and very little was recognised or recorded about this kind of offence or offender by police at the time. e. Lastly, the Police Foundation (Skidmore, 2016) looked at group-based CSE in Bristol, and found that those from ethnic minority backgrounds were overrepresented compared to the local area. However, they note that this is likely magnified by skewed and incomplete data.

[Dave-G]

Might I be so bold as to suggest white offenders were more likely to be investigated - and therefore recorded than non whites for fear of offending delicate liberal lefties..

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, Dave-G said:

Might I be so bold as to suggest white offenders were more likely to be investigated - and therefore recorded than non whites for fear of offending delicate liberal lefties..

Thats what this is all about.
The grooming gangs didnt get touched for years, because police and social services didnt want to upset the diversity cart.

Now 'We dont have the data' on ethnicity , because it was never collected because of this ^.

Ergo , it must have been white men who did it ?

Its a pathetic excuse, when all you need to do is look at convictions from the last 10 years, to see who did this sort of crime.
You dont even have to check ethnicity, the names are a bit of a giveaway.

[Yellow Bear]

And of course it is pure coincidence that the bulk of this "Brushing under the carpet" took place between the second half of the 90's an about 2010.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

1 minute ago, Yellow Bear said:

And of course it is pure coincidence that the bulk of this "Brushing under the carpet" took place between the second half of the 90's an about 2010.

Or more accurately 1997 to 2007!

[clangerman]

30 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Thats what this is all about.
The grooming gangs didnt get touched for years, because police and social services didnt want to upset the diversity cart.

Now 'We dont have the data' on ethnicity , because it was never collected because of this ^.

Ergo , it must have been white men who did it ?

Its a pathetic excuse, when all you need to do is look at convictions from the last 10 years, to see who did this sort of crime.
You dont even have to check ethnicity, the names are a bit of a giveaway.

saville glitter king ect don’t sound very foreign to me nor do the names of the football coach’s gym coaches clifton teachers downside monks or host of others caught side by side the list of white offenders will be at least double using the grooming part to divert attention away from white men just shows this is media driven racism 

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, clangerman said:

saville glitter king ect don’t sound very foreign to me nor do the names of the football coach’s gym coaches clifton teachers downside monks or host of others caught side by side the list of white offenders will be at least double using the grooming part to divert attention away from white men just shows this is media driven racism 

I dont think you quite 'get it' do you ?
This is about grooming gangs, you may have seen them on the err.. racist media, in places like Leeds ,Rotherham, Rochdale ect.
They are still uncovering the crimes that these gangs, and others yet to be investigated had done , and up to now , got away  with , because our police , CPS , and social services didnt fancy being labelled racist !
In effect , they didnt do their JOBS , because of politically correct culture, they often STILL dont !

Yes there are lots of white paedophiles , but in this country , there are also a lot more white people.
But this thread, and the report mentioned , is not about that, if you think thats racist then thats up to you.

You can join these people and identify yourself as the 'problem' if it makes you feel better.

 

Tavistock and Portman NHS are big on gender reasignment for pre pubescent kids BTW.
https://tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/care-and-treatment/our-clinical-services/gender-identity-development-service-gids/

[clangerman]

5 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

I dont think you quite 'get it' do you ?
This is about grooming gangs, you may have seen them on the err.. racist media, in places like Leeds ,Rotherham, Rochdale ect.
They are still uncovering the crimes that these gangs, and others yet to be investigated had done , and up to now , got away  with , because our police , CPS , and social services didnt fancy being labelled racist !
In effect , they didnt do their JOBS , because of politically correct culture, they often STILL dont !

Yes there are lots of white paedophiles , but in this country , there are also a lot more white people.
But this thread, and the report mentioned , is not about that, if you think thats racist then thats up to you.

You can join these people and identify yourself as the 'problem' if it makes you feel better.

 

Tavistock and Portman NHS are big on gender reasignment for pre pubescent kids BTW.
https://tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/care-and-treatment/our-clinical-services/gender-identity-development-service-gids/

being white i more than get this is racist rubbish most nonces groom in one form or another people must be starting to  think middle aged white men have something to hide maybe they are right 

[Rewulf]

3 minutes ago, clangerman said:

being white i more than get this is racist rubbish most nonces groom in one form or another people must be starting to  think middle aged white men have something to hide maybe they are right 

What does that even mean ! ?
You think middle aged white men have something to hide ?
They are all nonces ?

You speak for yourself bud 

[clangerman]

Just now, Rewulf said:

What does that even mean ! ?
You think middle aged white men have something to hide ?
They are all nonces ?

You speak for yourself bud 

if you think any aspect of sexually molesting children is funny try speaking with a 9 yr old female rape victim 

[Rewulf]

Just now, clangerman said:

if you think any aspect of sexually molesting children is funny try speaking with a 9 yr old female rape victim 

Dont try and make out I did any such thing.

If you think discussing the ethnicity of a sexual offender makes you a racist, then thats tragic.