armsid Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Q are there EU officials from Brussells stationed on Albania,s border Greece and Turkey North Cyprus Norway ex Russian states How are they policed As **** said what about the Commonwealth Trading with them should be a priorrity will also REDUCE AID as we can trade and help their economies 1 minute ago, armsid said: Q are there EU officials from Brussells stationed on Albania,s border Greece and Turkey North Cyprus Norway ex Russian states How are they policed As **** said what about the Commonwealth Trading with them should be a priorrity will also REDUCE AID as we can trade and help their economies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 Katya Adler on the BBC this morning, "one of the sticking points is the EU's right to fish in our waters" What rights? they will have expired by the end of this month! At least she seems to have stopped using the "fisher people" term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmaxphil Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 Am I right in thinking if there's a deal or no deal it will have to be ratified by parliament and if so are we going to end up with a farce like last time before the last election ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 4 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Katya Adler on the BBC this morning, "one of the sticking points is the EU's right to fish in our waters" What rights? they will have expired by the end of this month! At least she seems to have stopped using the "fisher people" term. About the same rights as Britain had to stay in Hong Kong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 11 hours ago, vmaxphil said: Am I right in thinking if there's a deal or no deal it will have to be ratified by parliament and if so are we going to end up with a farce like last time before the last election ? Don't hold your breath! I am sure the assembled elected idiots will do us proud in the shame stakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 11 hours ago, London Best said: About the same rights as Britain had to stay in Hong Kong. Don’t use that argument as we had every right to stay in Hong Kong! It was only the New Territories that were leased from China but the U.K. government felt that sustaining HK without the New Territories was impossible so ceded all to China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, AVB said: Don’t use that argument as we had every right to stay in Hong Kong! It was only the New Territories that were leased from China but the U.K. government felt that sustaining HK without the New Territories was impossible so ceded all to China. I will bow to your greater knowledge. I just thought it was an apt comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 16 hours ago, vmaxphil said: Am I right in thinking if there's a deal or no deal it will have to be ratified by parliament and if so are we going to end up with a farce like last time before the last election ? A deal would have to be ratified, a no deal was the default position so needs no further approval. Kinda ironic for the parties that scream a no deal would be the worst possible outcome, then go on to say they would refuse to approve a deal 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 Oh, for crying out loud! Surely we're not going to fall for this? Leave what the EU really wants until the end of the negotiations when what could look like a fovourable deal has been struck - one which they think that we may not wish to lose - and then just at the last minute mention fishing which after all, English, is not worth a great deal to you in overall terms is it? On second thoughts, we probably will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 I believe the real game is to make it all about fishing publicly, then at the eleventh hour, Boris will quietly sign off on the level playing field, sealing the uks fate to Brexit in name only, while the EU climb down on fishing, Boris proclaims victory and boasts of securing a fantastic deal for the county, when in reality, hell have sailed us up the river. I very much hope I'm wrong but after 4 years of being lied to by our own government, can anyone blame me! Like I've said all along, our best hope is that the EU continues to be so unreasonable that a deal can't be reached and then hopefully we can leave with no deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 On 12/12/2020 at 15:35, Mungler said: Fishing is a total red herring, pardon the pun. The real battle is financial services because we are predominantly a services based economy and if there’s a deal that screws fishing but protects london then... About now, I couldn’t give a monkeys because: 1. My worrying about it won’t help 2. No one in government cares what I think / post on Facey What I have seen in the pandemic is just how industrious we can be as a nation - or rather there remains a large chunk of people in our country that will work, do want to earn money and get on and are prepared to duck and dive and roll with the punches and change if need be. I don’t think the continent have much of that mentality - it’s years of socialism, form stamping and asking permission of a bureaucrat before doing anything. So, I am content that whatever happens we can and will change and there is no such things as the end. If it’s a balls up, we’ll have to adjust won’t we? Oh, and getting out of the club that’s going to have to fund the Covid economic bail out of Portugal, Ireland, Greece, Italy etc.... well I don’t see the EU lasting much longer. I’m still gutted the French didn’t vote in Le Penn - it only take a little table turner like that for the whole pack of cards to come down. and thats precisely why there was never going to be a deal done before the very last possible minute. Its chest beating and brinksmanship of the highest order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, spanj said: and thats precisely why there was never going to be a deal done before the very last possible minute. Its chest beating and brinksmanship of the highest order That’s what I’ve bet on. I reckon they had a deal weeks ago. It’s all tied in with the container blockages, operation stack and to soften us up to something less than ideal but which keeps the wheels turning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 On 13/12/2020 at 16:35, oowee said: We are living off the fat of the past and the future. We have no plan for education, no strategy for a knowledge based economy. Without long term investment and a strategic plan we will remain the product of short term slogan politics. The so called 'red tape' is part of the standards that we put in place to protect our workers, our environment and provide the lifestyle that we currently have. All of these things, together with pensions, welfare state and the NHS will need to be cut to compete on price in an open market economy. I dont know where you are coming from. My pension (personal & state) isnt worth a carrot (35 years+ paid in), workers have no rights worth speaking of (gig economy anybody) until 2years or more service and dont start me on agency working !!!! Am just pointing out that this was all in place well before Brexit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 16 minutes ago, Mungler said: That’s what I’ve bet on. I reckon they had a deal weeks ago. It’s all tied in with the container blockages, operation stack and to soften us up to something less than ideal but which keeps the wheels turning. Deal or no deal it will all be less than ideal, just keep the wheels turning but it will be our wheels on our bus. 8 minutes ago, spanj said: I dont know where you are coming from. My pension (personal & state) isnt worth a carrot (35 years+ paid in), workers have no rights worth speaking of (gig economy anybody) until 2years or more service and dont start me on agency working !!!! Am just pointing out that this was all in place well before Brexit That's my point. We cannot afford what we have and our ability to pay for even that it is in decline. Populist, disruptive politics reflects the backlash of the masses to that dissatisfaction with the status quo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1375510/brexit-news-eu-fishing-quote-latest-boris-johnson-eu-trade-deal-negotiation Thank god for that, fingers crossed it stays that way until the 31st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemFandango Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/12/2020 at 12:25, Yellow Bear said: No but, again from what I hear, UK boats seldom venture into "French waters" (some of which are UK territorial waters) to avoid conflict Well that and because the French have fished them to oblivion. Why do you think they want to be in our waters? We actually have some fish! The Spaniards are just as bad. All of our inshore fleet should be fitted with torpedos so when one of those big ****** trawls through your gear within a mile of our coastline you can legally sink the ******. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, ClemFandango said: All of our inshore fleet should be fitted with torpedos so when one of those big ****** trawls through your gear within a mile of our coastline you can legally sink the ******. It would only need to be done once, just as a warning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemFandango Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 19 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: It would only need to be done once, just as a warning! I threw a tin of beans at one once. It just bounced off the topsides. The intention was there but I think a good torpedoing would send more of a message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) Seems it is not just French fishing vessels that enter our waters, so does the French navy. Edited December 23, 2020 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 4 hours ago, ClemFandango said: Well that and because the French have fished them to oblivion. Why do you think they want to be in our waters? We actually have some fish! The Spaniards are just as bad. All of our inshore fleet should be fitted with torpedos so when one of those big ****** trawls through your gear within a mile of our coastline you can legally sink the ******. I admire your style sir . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 11 hours ago, Newbie to this said: Seems it is not just French fishing vessels that enter our waters, so does the French navy without permission. Without permission? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 46 minutes ago, henry d said: Without permission? You are quite correct, I was assuming that they were there uninvited, but in reality I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 Looked like it was just passing through as many navys do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 A deal you say, on Christmas Eve you say, REALLY couldn't make it up! This is a Brexit "Deal" made by the producers of Eastenders! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted December 24, 2020 Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 i seen this at 5 this morning and thought there is going to be a lot of unhappy people but as the saying goes you reap what you sow he is a puppet his string was being pulled by cummings now being pulled by his wife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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