Is this the Final, Final, Final Deadline for a Deal

[Dave-G]

1 hour ago, Jaymo said:

There is a limit on what ‘home grown’ replacements we can produce.

I think that was the EU gameplan from the outset... 

Edited December 13, 2020 by Dave-G

[oldypigeonpopper]

21 hours ago, Vince Green said:

This is exactly what is going on right now with quota breaking. Not all those four vessels can be at sea at the same time so its more like two most of the time. With mobile phones the French and Spanish trawlers know where the Fishery Protection Vessels are, or more precisely where they are not at any given time.

When they know its safe to do so they just fill their hold and head back to their home port sticking two fingers up to the silly British.

A British fisherman has to account for his catch at the quay side but the French and Spanish fishermen don't appear to suffer the same inspection.

Hello, on sky news the Spanish lady knew how many Uk fishing boats we have and even fishermen, 🤔

[12gauge82]

Well it appears it wasn't the final, final deadline, as Boris says they haven't reached an agreement but both sides will continue talking. 

Just leave already! 

[Walker570]

Yep, looks like Boris is about to cave.  Agreed to an extension AGAIN.  Any sensible business person would have walked already. Then wait for the knock on the door.  I just have a dreadful feeling that we are going to be sold out and that would mean this country being next best to a 'county' the Communist European Union.

[walshie]

On 12/12/2020 at 11:03, walshie said:

It's the absolute latest, final, final, "I really mean it this time", no messing about, full stop deadline.

Until Sunday. 

Hai thang yow!

[armsid]

As has been said before we need to get up dust down and start again making goods to sell to the world not just to a single rule laden market that only the UK abides by and does not care if it costs jobs as long as the French and Germans are thriving .Go back to before we joined the Common Market a trading group the UK was a leader in engineering etc, now look at it, We need to reinvest and make things instead of importing as everything imported is a job lost. The world is at our feet lets get the shop open, For those posters that think pensioners are a burden  due to cost sorting out the welfare state to be a cushion not a lifestyle that makes it better not to work needs doing ,as most if not all have worked and paid tier dues  Apprenticeships need to be promoted and entreupenours encouraged without red tape stifling their efforts, In a nutshell we can survive and prosper if the right course is taken and we embrace our freedom from the EU.,            Just read Walker570,s post ilike the communist title for the EU He could well be right as Merkel was a high ranking official in the East German Free Youth Movement part of the Stasi

Edited December 13, 2020 by armsid

[wymberley]

Is it just me that thinks that this "extra mile" has the potential to cost us dear?

[Dave-G]

5 minutes ago, wymberley said:

Is it just me that thinks that this "extra mile" has the potential to cost us dear?

Absolutely not.

[Walker570]

20 minutes ago, wymberley said:

Is it just me that thinks that this "extra mile" has the potential to cost us dear?

I fear Boris will sell us out.  The only chance being that Nigel also said he thought Boris would sell us out which means Boris has to be careful not to or it will prove Nigel right in his belief and way ahead of Boris.

The whole EU deal is a high class form of communism and now if Donald doesn't manage to prove the obvious fraud by the Democrats then Biden will join with the EU as the present democrat party are as near being 'communist' in their beliefe as they could be and we will be busted.

[AVB]

Why do people think Boris will ‘sell us out’? He has simply said that a no deal is likely but they will carry on talking. Sensible thing to do. 

[12gauge82]

39 minutes ago, AVB said:

Why do people think Boris will ‘sell us out’? He has simply said that a no deal is likely but they will carry on talking. Sensible thing to do. 

It's the likes of Theresa May before, "brexit means brexit" "no deal is better than a bad deal" ect, we've been lied to so many times by politicians who have tried absolutely everything they could to stop brexit happening, that the trust has gone. I'm at the point I'd feel relieved at a hard brexit, as I'm more concerned we'll get brexit in name only. 

[oowee]

2 hours ago, armsid said:

As has been said before we need to get up dust down and start again making goods to sell to the world not just to a single rule laden market that only the UK abides by and does not care if it costs jobs as long as the French and Germans are thriving .Go back to before we joined the Common Market a trading group the UK was a leader in engineering etc, now look at it, We need to reinvest and make things instead of importing as everything imported is a job lost. The world is at our feet lets get the shop open, For those posters that think pensioners are a burden  due to cost sorting out the welfare state to be a cushion not a lifestyle that makes it better not to work needs doing ,as most if not all have worked and paid tier dues  Apprenticeships need to be promoted and entreupenours encouraged without red tape stifling their efforts, In a nutshell we can survive and prosper if the right course is taken and we embrace our freedom from the EU.,            Just read Walker570,s post ilike the communist title for the EU He could well be right as Merkel was a high ranking official in the East German Free Youth Movement part of the Stasi

We are living off the fat of the past and the future. We have no plan for education, no strategy for a knowledge based economy. Without long term investment and a strategic plan we will remain the product of short term slogan politics. 

The so called 'red tape' is part of the standards that we put in place to protect our workers, our environment and provide the lifestyle that we currently have. All of these things, together with pensions, welfare state and the NHS will need to be cut to compete on price in an open market economy. 

 

[Rim Fire]

I think the oxford dictionary will have to refine the word FINAL

[JohnfromUK]

26 minutes ago, Rim Fire said:

I think the oxford dictionary will have to refine the word FINAL

It would be easier than teaching politicians the Oxford defined meaning certainly

[wymberley]

38 minutes ago, Rim Fire said:

I think the oxford dictionary will have to refine the word FINAL

Or change the spelling. Adding an 'I' gives you useless decoration. But adding 'IC' sums the whole bunch of them up nicely.

[Dave-G]

Tedious though it is both sides can say they have gone the extra few miles. I'm wondering if the other EU negotiators kept shoving the EU flag on masks in our negotiators faces like vonder wassername did to Bojo while he politely wore a plain mask.

[ordnance]

He has already sold us out in N/I, no reason he won't do it to the rest of the UK.

[AVB]

2 minutes ago, ordnance said:

He has already sold us out in N/I, no reason he won't do it to the rest of the UK.

NI voted to remain anyway. 

[ordnance]

21 minutes ago, AVB said:

NI voted to remain anyway. 

The UK voted to leave.

[oowee]

6 minutes ago, ordnance said:

The UK voted to leave.

You will get a border now I think? How is that going to work? 

[Newbie to this]

For those who have forgotten, most of the answers you seek can be found Here

[ordnance]

33 minutes ago, oowee said:

You will get a border now I think? How is that going to work? 

A border in the Irish sea, basally treating this part of the UK differently to the rest. So much for all of the UK leaving the EU.

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Brussels-run officials will be able to supervise checks on trade that is happening ... EU officials will be stationed permanently in Northern Ireland.

 

[oowee]

1 minute ago, ordnance said:

A border in the Irish sea, basally treating this part of the UK differently to the rest. So much for all of the UK leaving the EU.

 

I thought that was scrapped under the proposal to vary the withdrawl agreement with the internal market bill in the event of no deal. 

[ordnance]

29 minutes ago, oowee said:

I thought that was scrapped under the proposal to vary the withdrawl agreement with the internal market bill in the event of no deal. 

No some goods from one part of the UK will have to be checked going to another part of the UK, under EU official's supervision who will be stationed in N/I. 

EU officials will be stationed permanently in Northern Ireland within weeks in a Brexit climbdown by the UK.

Under a pact agreed yesterday, officers under Brussels’ control will supervise checks on trade that is happening within the UK’s borders.

Starting from January 1, they will oversee checks on some goods being traded from east to west, within the UK, from Great Britain to Northern Ireland.

Edited December 13, 2020 by ordnance

[Dick]

5 hours ago, armsid said:

As has been said before we need to get up dust down and start again making goods to sell to the world not just to a single rule laden market that only the UK abides by and does not care if it costs jobs as long as the French and Germans are thriving .Go back to before we joined the Common Market a trading group the UK was a leader in engineering etc, now look at it, We need to reinvest and make things instead of importing as everything imported is a job lost. The world is at our feet lets get the shop open, For those posters that think pensioners are a burden  due to cost sorting out the welfare state to be a cushion not a lifestyle that makes it better not to work needs doing ,as most if not all have worked and paid tier dues  Apprenticeships need to be promoted and entreupenours encouraged without red tape stifling their efforts, In a nutshell we can survive and prosper if the right course is taken and we embrace our freedom from the EU.,            Just read Walker570,s post ilike the communist title for the EU He could well be right as Merkel was a high ranking official in the East German Free Youth Movement part of the Stasi

I absolutely agree with you. We need to massively invest in manufacturing infrastructure and training....probably using retired people who still have the skills.

We should stop buying anything from Europe until we can trade on the right terms. There is nothing that isn't either 'home grown' or available from non EU countries.

Stuff the German and French cars, Dutch vegetables, Spanish tomatoes, EU wines and beer, then see how long before the French farmers break ranks.

In the 1960's the slogan was.....Buy British......it should be again.

There has been little mention of the Commonwealth.....We used to get food products from there when distribution links were far more difficult than they are now.

We underestimate ourselves......tell the EU to get stuffed and get on without them. Tell them that the door is always open but dont ever try to threaten us again.