Agriv8 Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 So I have a little yildiz single barrel 410 that the youngest has been pointing at clays and learning to become gun safe. Landed a slab of 410 3 Inch number 6s 16 gram as my permission is coming into lambing season I was Thinking this might be good for keeping the corvids down rather than the rather loud clear pigeon extreme 12 bore. The sheep keep the distance but better safe than sorry. so over to you lot any idea of kill range for these ? Thanks Agriv8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 What's the choke? I'd have thought that the pattern will fail before the killing power of the number 6 shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 52 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: What's the choke? I'd have thought that the pattern will fail before the killing power of the number 6 shot. Absolutely. I would for preference go down to No. 7’s and shoot to 35 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agriv8 Posted January 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 Thanks fellas Mmm choke it’s fixed so suspect about 1/2 will take a look at barrel markings / box when next up in loft. So assuming I am right what do you reckon on 16g number 6’s 20 - 25 yards on a 410 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agriv8 Posted January 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 Update just found this which is the gun pattern test for cars I have https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/reviews/shotgun/yildiz-single-barrel-folding-410-shotgun-review Worth a read if you interested ta Agriv8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 So I know exactly the answer to your question because I have the very same yildiz and shoot the same game bore carts 16 grm no6 .73 mm case . Although I have a screw on mod on the end of mine which quietens it down loads and is highly recommended . Oh and yes and I believe they are 1/2 choke. The range for these is a solid 30 yds .35 at push with a dollop of luck . If you shoot the hullcart high pheasant 18 grm no6 then they do kill out to 35 yds . I've yet to find any .410 cart that I can push to 40 yds . Hope this helps . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) I would think 30 yards with a 3 inch No. 6 on a pheasant. My guns are only 2 1/2 inch chambered, shooting 14 grams. I am very happy between 25/30 yards with No. 7’s. edit: I find even 14 gram of No. 9’s very effective to 30 yards on pigeon or crows. Edited January 25, 2021 by London Best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Agriv8 said: So I have a little yildiz single barrel 410 that the youngest has been pointing at clays and learning to become gun safe. Landed a slab of 410 3 Inch number 6s 16 gram as my permission is coming into lambing season I was Thinking this might be good for keeping the corvids down rather than the rather loud clear pigeon extreme 12 bore. The sheep keep the distance but better safe than sorry. so over to you lot any idea of kill range for these ? Thanks Agriv8 Pattern the gun at 25 yards and see what it does on paper, I would suspect at half choke it will do fair to 25 yards. It would also be worth measuring the choke if you have a caliper to asertain the final muzzle width. 3 minutes ago, Agriv8 said: Thanks fellas Mmm choke it’s fixed so suspect about 1/2 will take a look at barrel markings / box when next up in loft. So assuming I am right what do you reckon on 16g number 6’s 20 - 25 yards on a 410 About right, depending on choke, No7 or 7.5 will give you up to 35yds though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Agriv8 Posted January 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: Wow good shooting will have a go plan to have a couple of evenings this week when They are coming into roosts interested to know about your moderator Quote ....”Although I have a screw on mod on the end of mine which quietens it down loads and is highly recommended “ as a rat infestation near the farm house barn / feed store has been added to the list of can you have a look at when i have time. Thanks and all best chaps and thank you for your time taken posting ! Edited January 25, 2021 by Agriv8 Added woods to make sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 I like to shoot my pige or crows between 15 and 25 yds though , any bird hit in this area is very very much dead .and to be fair even with my 20b I like my birds between 20 and 30 yds .I find 40 yds is starting to stretch the distance . The mod is the 9 inch from saddlery and gun room .it actually makes the very light front end of the gun balance and swing better . I'm a bit of a good shot with this little single it fits me very well . I have photos of loads of crows piled up too taken with this wee .410 . If you want to shoot rats quietly in a barn have a look at the layvale magnasonic .they are very quiet .(not enough punch for pige .but fine on rats closer in ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 These are the quietest cart I've ever shot . With the mod on .they really do sound like an airgun being fired .but they will only kill a pige out to 15 yds or so . But again for rats would be perfect .though they are silly expensive . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 As most of you know I rarely shoot anyhting else but a 410 these days. I reload my own shells mainly but have shot the excellent Hull High Pheasant in #7s and recently the new Lylevale 18g s as well and found them also capable. Actually when you take a tape and stretch it out to 40yrds it is quite a long way and I am sure many shooters belive they are shooting at that range when it is quite a bit closer. I have killed partridge and pheasants out to 35-40yrds no problem with my home loads of 18.7g of #7s and through full chokes from my 30 inch Yildize barrels i think that is the sensible range for the 410 although on occasion I have fluked a 50yrder witnessed. I shot a few of the Bornaghi 3 inch as well and yes they did the job. Factory shells I would buy Fiocchi or Hull High Pheasant both in #7s. I have tried a variety of chokes but have now gone back to full/full. Yes it means I have to be a bit more accurate at 20-25yrds on partridge over the hedges but that is up to me. the patterns I get at a measured 35yrds are excellent so that is why I stick with them. On a dedicated 410 driven day there is more talk about cartridges and chokes than on any other day shooting. Lots of enthusiasm amongst devotees.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) Nice to see that all the replies have come up with basically the same answer. (Must be a PW first!). Too many shooting men think of the .410 as a useless toy. Experience proves otherwise. Edited January 25, 2021 by London Best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agriv8 Posted January 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 Chaps thanks Again. I would have had a play with the 410 at the clay ground I normally shoot with pattern plate but it’s shut ! but breaking a clay at 25 to 35 yards does not mean that you would expect a humane kill at that distance ( of course this also relies on the lead ending up in the right place ). good to see a general agreement it looks like the 410 will be coming out to play more often ! Pacing out 30 yards I expect that to be the max distance from my chosen shooting hide to where they roost ultrastu I have some more questions re the 410 moderator as the saddlery and gun room seem to offer 2 for the 410 when I was looking bleary eyed last night. Also how does yours attach to the barrel ? is it easy to remove ? Is my youngest going to fall out with me for pinching his gun !! have you had to modify the anyway you fit the moderator ? regards Agriv8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 10 hours ago, London Best said: Nice to see that all the replies have come up with basically the same answer. (Must be a PW first!). Too many shooting men think of the .410 as a useless toy. Experience proves otherwise. Yep, it's all interesting reading. Extended range driven shooting is a relatively new introduction, whereas traditionally the vast majority of shooting up until the 70s when shooting really took off was still driven at the more usual 25 to 35 yard ranges. It makes me wonder why the 12 bore became the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 11 hours ago, London Best said: Nice to see that all the replies have come up with basically the same answer. (Must be a PW first!). Too many shooting men think of the .410 as a useless toy. Experience proves otherwise. Agreed. It is an expert's gun rather than a gun to introduce children to shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 @wymberley I always understood that the 12 bore became the standard gauge because basically it was the heaviest gun a man could carry all day without undue fatigue. This before O/U’s became popular, of course, hence the popularity of the 20 bore O/U firing a traditional 12 bore load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, London Best said: @wymberley I always understood that the 12 bore became the standard gauge because basically it was the heaviest gun a man could carry all day without undue fatigue. This before O/U’s became popular, of course, hence the popularity of the 20 bore O/U firing a traditional 12 bore load. Yep, makes sense. But back along the vast majority of shooters didn't walk anywhere except, perhaps, to a peg to play a part in the major sporting activitry that driven shooting was. From what we read, the venerable .410 is a perfectly capable tool for cleanly killing game at the ranges prevalent at the time. It's worth bearing in mind that many of these fellows shot several times a week firing countless cartridges through a gun which was made for,and fitted to, them in a season and probably therefore would qualify as 'competent'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, wymberley said: Yep, makes sense. But back along the vast majority of shooters didn't walk anywhere except, perhaps, to a peg to play a part in the major sporting activitry that driven shooting was. From what we read, the venerable .410 is a perfectly capable tool for cleanly killing game at the ranges prevalent at the time. It's worth bearing in mind that many of these fellows shot several times a week firing countless cartridges through a gun which was made for,and fitted to, them in a season and probably therefore would qualify as 'competent'. With respect, I think you are on the wrong tack there. I don’t believe many .410 guns would have been used for driven shooting in it’s Victorian/Edwardian heyday. More likely used by the likes of gamekeepers/farmers for rabbiting (especially ferreting the countless thousands of rabbits) and vermin control. That is not to say that some of the ladies and many of the youngsters did not use the little gun, but the men, I think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, London Best said: With respect, I think you are on the wrong tack there. I don’t believe many .410 guns would have been used for driven shooting in it’s Victorian/Edwardian heyday. More likely used by the likes of gamekeepers/farmers for rabbiting (especially ferreting the countless thousands of rabbits) and vermin control. That is not to say that some of the ladies and many of the youngsters did not use the little gun, but the men, I think not. Exactly, that's my point. I asked why the 12 bore became so popular when in the main sporting thrust at that time it seems that the 410 was perfectly capable of performing as would have been necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, wymberley said: Exactly, that's my point. I asked why the 12 bore became so popular when in the main sporting thrust at that time it seems that the 410 was perfectly capable of performing as would have been necessary. The .410 was never going to perform as well as a larger gun and people wanted the most effective gun they could carry. Not all shooting was driven, even for the wealthy many days would be walked-up. When I use my .410 I do not expect it to perform like a twelve, that would be silly, but it is not the “dangerous toy” I have heard them called by some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 hours ago, theshootist said: Agreed. It is an expert's gun rather than a gun to introduce children to shooting. The 410 is an excellent beginners gun when set up properly with the right cartridges and choke. The issue is the lack of understanding of those who buy a 410 and try to emmulate the use of their 12 bore by applying 12 bore solutions to the 410. Ideally for the 410 3 inch you want 18g no7 and Imp cyl and Light Mod and this will kill pigeons, pheasants, partridge etc to 30 to 35 yards and is no more difficult to use than any other gun. For the 2.5 inch with same chokes 14g of 7.5 will give 25 to 30 yards range and similarly for the 2inch 9g of no8 will give 20 to 25 yards range. The problem remains centred around using the size of shot you would use in a 12 bore with loads from 28g to 36g (no6.5, no6, no5.5, no5 etc) which pellets have a great deal of individual excess energy and then having to inordinately tighten the 410 choke to Full to try and maintain a pattern when using 18g or less but which means that you have to be very accurate at close range to hit the target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 Nicely put! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 32 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Nicely put! I’ll second that! The man is spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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