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The new defender 110 starts at £45k. I was wondering if that is expensive compared to how much the original defender was when it was a current model. Anyone know? 

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Al things being equal, I'd sooner pay 40 for a decent older 110 without complicated electrics and proper live axles than 45 for a new computer game on wheels.

I don't think I'll ever be able to run another 110, 90 or 130 or even a series but I still think for what they're meant for, they're the best thing on 4 wheels.

For now I'll stick to the Range Rover and hope it doesn't break.

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23 minutes ago, old'un said:

Well an old style defender 110 is fetching around 40k+ so that does not look a bad price for the new model, when you ordering one?

They look great but ...........................

I have a car nightmare. Bristol are about to ban diesel so sold my A2 1.4 which was a lovely collectable car that I used as a run about and to go into town. I have a Hilux which is Euro6 so can drive in but it's too big for easy parking. I don't want to spend anymore on cars and the cash I got for the Audi will only buy a rubbish petrol. So may sell the Hilux and buy something smaller or two cars.

So was looking to get another disco sport (wife has one and it's great) as they are small and will tow well and euro 6 can go in town and is parkable. Or sell the lux get a cheaper freelander 2 and buy a decent run about.  

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58 minutes ago, oowee said:

The new defender 110 starts at £45k. I was wondering if that is expensive compared to how much the original defender was when it was a current model. Anyone know? 

The ORIGINAL Land Rover was £450 new. 
Doors were extras!

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1 hour ago, oowee said:

They look great but ...........................

I have a car nightmare. Bristol are about to ban diesel so sold my A2 1.4 which was a lovely collectable car that I used as a run about and to go into town. I have a Hilux which is Euro6 so can drive in but it's too big for easy parking. I don't want to spend anymore on cars and the cash I got for the Audi will only buy a rubbish petrol. So may sell the Hilux and buy something smaller or two cars.

So was looking to get another disco sport (wife has one and it's great) as they are small and will tow well and euro 6 can go in town and is parkable. Or sell the lux get a cheaper freelander 2 and buy a decent run about.  

The Freelander 2's a great car. My parents have one and I've driven theirs off road on snow, gravel, mud, ice you name it, I've done it in it. The only thing that holds it back for most of the off road driving you are likely to do is the tyres. But whack some off road ones on and it'd be great. Unless you need serious towing power (beyond, say double horse and box) the Freelander's got the boxes ticked.

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2 hours ago, oowee said:

They look great but ...........................

I have a car nightmare. Bristol are about to ban diesel so sold my A2 1.4 which was a lovely collectable car that I used as a run about and to go into town. I have a Hilux which is Euro6 so can drive in but it's too big for easy parking. I don't want to spend anymore on cars and the cash I got for the Audi will only buy a rubbish petrol. So may sell the Hilux and buy something smaller or two cars.

So was looking to get another disco sport (wife has one and it's great) as they are small and will tow well and euro 6 can go in town and is parkable. Or sell the lux get a cheaper freelander 2 and buy a decent run about.  

They’re banning all diesels in Bristol? Didn’t realise they were going that far! 

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1 hour ago, Wilts#Dave said:

They’re banning all diesels in Bristol? Didn’t realise they were going that far! 

It was a total ban but it looks like they have been told to rethink and euro 6 will be ok. 

3 hours ago, London Best said:

The ORIGINAL Land Rover was £450 new. 
Doors were extras!

When was that and what would the equivalent price be now? Even an average car liks a ford focus is £20000+ now so the defender is twice the price.

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9 hours ago, oowee said:

 

When was that and what would the equivalent price be now? Even an average car liks a ford focus is £20000+ now so the defender is twice the price.

You forget, the Defender is not an average car!

Original was 1948.

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14 hours ago, oowee said:

The new defender 110 starts at £45k. I was wondering if that is expensive compared to how much the original defender was when it was a current model. Anyone know? 

In 2015 the 'final' special edition 110 was £43.5K - but that was with all of the 'bells and whistles'.  https://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/special-editions-land-rover-defenders-final-year

The new 110 is difficult to compare price wise because so much more is 'standard'.

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According to my quick research on this I present the following.

In 1948 the average annual salary was £202, therefore at £450 the Land Rover was 2.5 years average salary.

In 2021 the average salary is £38600, therefore at £45000 the Land Rover is 1.2 years average salary.

By direct comparison £450 from 1948 is worth £17700 today.

There are of course questions to be asked about the comparability of the methods of calculating average salary.

First conclusions:

Is it affordable compared to 1948? Yes, based on the limited data available so far.

Is it more expensive than the original model? Yes, if you base that on price alone.

Would I buy one? No. I cannot invest that much into a depreciating asset as my money has to work for its living rather than me!

 

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30 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

In 2015 the 'final' special edition 110 was £43.5K - but that was with all of the 'bells and whistles'.  https://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/special-editions-land-rover-defenders-final-year

The new 110 is difficult to compare price wise because so much more is 'standard'.

Quite. Mate has one. It’s never been off road and he’s never taken it any further than his girlfriends house, which he visits each weekend. It’s only 7 miles away. 
He’d terrified of putting miles on it or getting it marked, much like his guns. 🤷‍♂️

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I have had quite a few Landy's from Series up to my Defender 90 I have now. As far as I am concerned they should of let the Defender die and called this new model something different. There are always going to be the comparison between the two and they are chalk and cheese. Try comparing a old Defender to a new Discovery pointless.

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I only buy things I'm going to use, I only use things that are any good to me. Currently have two vehicles, one for shooting, fishing and mucky stuff a Range Rover. And a nice car to take my wife and family out in, Volvo XC70, AWD. 

They should have called it something other than a defender. Its like the Land Rover Range Rover Evoque, so far away from a traditional Range Rover, or the Disco sport, nothing like a disco.

I just can't imagine much use for it as a utility or general purpose vehicle but as a 4 wheel drive car it has its place.

There seems to be a hole in the market for a "proper" Land Rover type multi purpose vehicle.

I would love another that can cope with things like this:

 

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The view from a proper Landy should always be something like this:

 

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19 hours ago, oowee said:

I was wondering if that is expensive compared to how much the original defender was when it was a current model.

When do you mean current, Grant?

The Defender as most people understand it, was released in the early 80s.  Before then it was 'Series' landies.

They definitely made sense for people at the time, witness the large fleets of them operated by Network utility providers.

But, in very rough terms, towards the end of JLR's production run, you were looking at £45k for a decent spec 110, or, £32k for a fully loaded crewcab pickup.  Which could do 80% of what a LR could do off-road, and do it in far more comfort, and was a better bet on road.

 

 

3 hours ago, Centrepin said:

There seems to be a hole in the market for a "proper" Land Rover type multi purpose vehicle.

Can we please put this perennial one to bed:  The people who covet such a thing aren't new car buyers (broad brush strokes here), therefore the 'market' as such doesn't exist.  We still await the Grenadier, but I suspect that will be vapourware too.

The closest I can think: farmers, who want a utilitarian vehicle for their business, used to buy/lease new Defenders, but switched to Jap pickups for the financial reasons stated above. 

The majority of farmers don't actually need or want the ultimate off road vehicle, for the simple reason that if the going is that rough, they've screwed up something with their land management!

Then there are the types who want something "without all those fancy electronics" - but still expect the fuel efficiency of a modern vehicle.  And they conveniantly forget that such a vehicle must be capable of passing European type approval, including crash safety, emissions, pedestrian safety....

No, such a vehicle will never exist again, because there is no market for it (in Europe and North America anyway) and even if there were, there would have to be some pretty hefty compromises to make it road-legal.

3 hours ago, Centrepin said:

I would love another that can cope with things like this:

As you well know, the days of 'soft skinned' vehicles on active military ops is over.

Current materials science means that armouring is still pig-heavy, and if you're going to design a vehicle for troops to use, you need to start with a light truck, not expect a civilian 4x4 chassis (platform) to cope!  JLR are not in that market, but other British manufacturers and British-based factories+engineering teams with foreign owners are (JD for instance).

Your other pictures appears to show some mild off-roading.  The question is which current production 4x4 cannot cope with those conditions, but also has a heater that works?

By the way, I speak as someone who is oh-so-slowly restoring a 110, but unlike a lot of others I don't harbour false nostalgia.

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