Chauvin verdict

[12gauge82]

6 hours ago, oowee said:

Chauvin is a killer and he will get justice for his actions porportionate as the US justice sees fit. There are as you say different degrees of fault but I would argue that those holding a badge, those that we look to for protection, should be more accountable and held to higher standards than anyone else.

Absolutely agree with all of that 👍

[henry d]

3 hours ago, Newbie to this said:

 it was you that suggested death by cop was the punishment. By that logic the copper was just carrying out sentence 

You're a newbie to thinking aren't you?

[oowee]

1 hour ago, henry d said:

You're a newbie to thinking aren't you?

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, henry d said:

You're a newbie to thinking aren't you?

If thoughts were physically dangerous, you'd be the most dangerous person in history! 

[mel b3]

I like to think that I'm a pretty decent ,and fair minded person , but ,  for the life of me , I just can't feel an ounce of pity for George Floyd , he chose his own life , and lived it like an animal , his life was never going to end well  . On the other hand , I feel great sympathy for chauvin , he was the unfortunate police officer ,that had his hands (or knee) in contact with Floyd,  as he died , and will now serve years in prison .

I know that many will shout that I'm a monster , but that's just how I feel about it all.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

You're NOT a monster and neither am I.

Too many people forget to see the details and for a person like GF to be hero worshipped is complete madness!

If they lived a better life and fitted in with those around them these sorry situations would not happen.

[JohnfromUK]

2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

to be hero worshipped is complete madness!

When you look at what some of the BLM 'influencers' want (defund the police, dismantle capitalism, legalise (some) drugs, release prisoners and abolish gaols) - you can see why they see him that way.  Floyd is, in a sense, a martyr to them.

[clangerman]

this bully has set a bench mark police officers will now hesitate thanks to this clowns actions and end up dead his past is just as bad as floyds let’s have it real instead of trying to gloss over what a scumbag he is 

[Rewulf]

32 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

When you look at what some of the BLM 'influencers' want (defund the police, dismantle capitalism, legalise (some) drugs, release prisoners and abolish gaols) - you can see why they see him that way.  Floyd is, in a sense, a martyr to them.

'Defund the police' ? Do they believe they dont NEED law enforcement? When 10 gang bangers are at your door , intent on robbery , rape or murder , who are they going to call ?
They tried it unofficially in Portland, anarchy and chaos.
A classic example of not thinking a policy through.

'Dismantle capitalism'?  Is that the same capitalism that employs them, or pays their welfare cheques ?
Where do they think the money comes from?

'Legalise (some) drugs' ? Well at least they wont have to worry too much about the real world when society collapses around them.

'Release prisoners and abolish gaols' ? This is the best one ! Lets have NO deterrent to crime, let every rapist, murderer and child molester back out on the streets, every scumbag of the 3 million US prisoners out on the street at once.
Should be awesome !

If Floyd is the martyr for this new religion, then god help America is ANY of it comes to pass.

6 minutes ago, clangerman said:

this bully has set a bench mark police officers will now hesitate thanks to this clowns actions and end up dead his past is just as bad as floyds let’s have it real instead of trying to gloss over what a scumbag he is 

Errr OK .

[Mungler]

On 21/04/2021 at 13:09, Gordon R said:

The verdict is right in my book, but I have nothing but contempt for those who have jumped on the bandwagon. They brought the racist element into the case and link the case to slavery. Quite how they do that is beyond me. Slavery was practised by people of all races, not just white people, but let's not let facts cloud the issue. Why do not they not turn their attention to modern day slavery and do something about that? 

Easy answer - there is no claim for compensation and no "reason" to loot.

This.

Theres a lot of old nonsense going around the internet about a case where the bottom line is you don’t kneel on someone’s neck for 10 minutes especially when he’s cuffed, you’ve got a gun and you’re not in any immediate danger. 
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Edited April 23, 2021 by Mungler

[JohnfromUK]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

then god help America is ANY of it comes to pass.

Indeed - but then anarchists want to bring down organised/civilised society.  Those behind BLM (which is just a convenient vehicle for them) are the same anarchist groups that have been around for ages.  Not sure what they go under in the USA, but in the UK, Militant Tendency, Socialist Workers Party, Momentum, International Marxist Tendency the usual suspects are all in there with BLM - and Extinction Rebellion, ALF, LACS share many common supporters. 

Basically, society's malcontents, bone idles, scroungers and dregs.

[ordnance]

4 hours ago, mel b3 said:

I like to think that I'm a pretty decent ,and fair minded person , but ,  for the life of me , I just can't feel an ounce of pity for George Floyd , he chose his own life , and lived it like an animal , his life was never going to end well  . On the other hand , I feel great sympathy for chauvin , he was the unfortunate police officer ,that had his hands (or knee) in contact with Floyd,  as he died , and will now serve years in prison .

I know that many will shout that I'm a monster , but that's just how I feel about it all.

Seriously, you have sympathy for a police officer that held his knee on someone in handcuffs keck, and kept it there after the person stopped breathing. I am glad i live in a country that the vast majority of people would not want police officers acting like that, and where most police officers would not.  Sympathy or not for George Floyd is irrelevant, its about police actions and accoubtibalty for their actions. 

[mossy835]

that cop should not have done what he did,hope he is jailed for a very long time.

[Westley]

21 minutes ago, mossy835 said:

that cop should not have done what he did,hope he is jailed for a very long time.

Oh,  I feel certain that he will be   ! 

They do not want any more riots, it is getting too costly. 

 

[clangerman]

16 minutes ago, ordnance said:

Seriously, you have sympathy for a police officer that held his knee on someone in handcuffs keck, and kept it there after the person stopped breathing. I am glad i live in a country that the vast majority of people would not want police officers acting like that, and where most police officers would not.  Sympathy or not for George Floyd is irrelevant, its about police actions and accoubtibalty for their actions. 

just ask your self why those claiming this is nonsense are so reluctant to volunteer for someone to kneel on THEIR neck for nine mins talk is cheap until you have brain damage or are dead! 

[Gordon R]

mel b3 - you are an opinion I respect, but I don't agree on this one. I too have no sympathy for Floyd, but the Policeman went way too far.

Only he knows why he did what he did, but it would be hard to defend. If people are looking for a cause or showing outrage at a needless death, they could perhaps pick a more worthy subject - a choice not based on colour.

[12gauge82]

I can't condone what Chauvin did to Floyd but at the same time I have no sympathy for him,Floyd was nothing more than a low life and at least he can't harm other people now. 

[Wintel73]

7 hours ago, mel b3 said:

I like to think that I'm a pretty decent ,and fair minded person , but ,  for the life of me , I just can't feel an ounce of pity for George Floyd , he chose his own life , and lived it like an animal , his life was never going to end well  . On the other hand , I feel great sympathy for chauvin , he was the unfortunate police officer ,that had his hands (or knee) in contact with Floyd,  as he died , and will now serve years in prison .

I know that many will shout that I'm a monster , but that's just how I feel about it all.

Nope not a monster - utterly rational.

[Wintel73]

On 22/04/2021 at 18:56, clangerman said:

and there we have it INCRIMINATE his self anyone who is innocent takes the stand the client calls the shots not the leech representing him you can only get tripped up if LYING! 

Well that is baloney, anything Chauvin said however innocuous would have been twisted by the prosecution to suit their narrative, i'm not saying that always happens but in this case where the prosecution lied from the very beginning Chauvin stood no chance.

[Wintel73]

On 22/04/2021 at 17:33, henry d said:

A court in the US would disagree with you, saying that his physical state was the cause of his death is rank stupidity, if he had not been kneeled on by several large police officers he could have lived many more years but we won't know because he was killed by reckless, irresponsible actions by the people who I believe swear to "Serve and Protect".

Not withstanding Floyd's criminal history, he was visibly high on drugs = criminal, he resisted arrest = criminal, (guilt on the fraud would have had to be determined in court) but his actions in the run up to his death were manifestly criminal, and the police had no choice to detain him and keep him subdued for everyone else’s safety given the state he was in. Including he was trying about to drive off in a car while clearly seriously impaired... no way letting him drive off like that could go wrong ehh...?

And what you call rank stupidity is actually simple facts of biology, an aggressive agitated subject with a system full of drugs contra indicative to his cardiac problems is not going to fare well in any physical situation, so while his death is unfortunate he really put himself in harms way.

Hell he was on among other things Fentanyl - that stuff kills plenty of healthy people let alone those with a dicky ticker.....!

 

[clangerman]

29 minutes ago, Wintel73 said:

Well that is baloney, anything Chauvin said however innocuous would have been twisted by the prosecution to suit their narrative, i'm not saying that always happens but in this case where the prosecution lied from the very beginning Chauvin stood no chance.

so you can PROVE the prosecution lied can you? best contact his appeal team they will be glad 

[ordnance]

40 minutes ago, Wintel73 said:

Well that is baloney, anything Chauvin said however innocuous would have been twisted by the prosecution to suit their narrative, i'm not saying that always happens but in this case where the prosecution lied from the very beginning Chauvin stood no chance.

Yeah, he had no chance because he was videoed and obviously guilty. 

14 minutes ago, Wintel73 said:

Not withstanding Floyd's criminal history, he was visibly high on drugs = criminal, he resisted arrest = criminal, (guilt on the fraud would have had to be determined in court) but his actions in the run up to his death were manifestly criminal, and the police had no choice to detain him and keep him subdued for everyone else’s safety given the state he was in. Including he was trying about to drive off in a car while clearly seriously impaired... no way letting him drive off like that could go wrong ehh...?

And what you call rank stupidity is actually simple facts of biology, an aggressive agitated subject with a system full of drugs contra indicative to his cardiac problems is not going to fare well in any physical situation, so while his death is unfortunate he really put himself in harms way.

Hell he was on among other things Fentanyl - that stuff kills plenty of healthy people let alone those with a dicky ticker.....!

 

He was subdued and in handcuffs and at that stage no danger to anyone, there was no need for a knee on his neck, something i am sure Chauvin is now having plenty of time to reflect on. 

[mel b3]

10 hours ago, ordnance said:

Seriously, you have sympathy for a police officer that held his knee on someone in handcuffs keck, and kept it there after the person stopped breathing. I am glad i live in a country that the vast majority of people would not want police officers acting like that, and where most police officers would not.  Sympathy or not for George Floyd is irrelevant, its about police actions and accoubtibalty for their actions. 

 

9 hours ago, Gordon R said:

mel b3 - you are an opinion I respect, but I don't agree on this one. I too have no sympathy for Floyd, but the Policeman went way too far.

Only he knows why he did what he did, but it would be hard to defend. If people are looking for a cause or showing outrage at a needless death, they could perhaps pick a more worthy subject - a choice not based on colour.

I probably should have expanded a little more in my post really. 

When I first saw the George Floyd video ,  I was enraged . The fact that a police officer would just calmly  choke a innocent man to death , in front of witnesses,  just blew my mind .  A few days later , I saw the full video of what happened leading up to it , and my mind was completely changed . 

Chauvin messed up , he got it wrong , and George Floyd lost his life ,  but , if George Floyd had have been compliant,  things would never have gone that far . I'm not saying that he deserved to be killed  , but he could have vastly improved his situation if he had just done as he was politely asked to do by the police officer. 

The reason that I feel sorry for chauvin,  is that he never stood a chance at his trial . When you even have the president of the United States sticking the boot in , then you're done for . I read somewhere that the 40 year maximum term for his crime , was considered too low,  and the pressure was on to get it increased . Yes the man got it wrong , but to serve the rest of your life in prison for a mistake whilst under pressure , is just too much in my opinion. 

The whole story saddens me . Floyd was nothing short of an animal . I'm all for being given a second chance in life , but he had many chances , and wasted them all , and just inflicted misery on others (ask the pregnant woman that he held at gunpoint), his life was never going to end well , he was always going to die at the hand of a police officer,  drug dealer , or from an overdose . I feel no pity whatsoever for him , but I feel great pity for his children.  As has already been said , most of the compensation money will be given to lawyers and drug dealers , and if any of that money does filter down to his children , they'll have one hell of a job stopping the rest of floyds family from swindling it from them.  

[WalkedUp]

43 minutes ago, mel b3 said:

 

I probably should have expanded a little more in my post really. 

When I first saw the George Floyd video ,  I was enraged . The fact that a police officer would just calmly  choke a innocent man to death , in front of witnesses,  just blew my mind .  A few days later , I saw the full video of what happened leading up to it , and my mind was completely changed . 

Chauvin messed up , he got it wrong , and George Floyd lost his life ,  but , if George Floyd had have been compliant,  things would never have gone that far . I'm not saying that he deserved to be killed  , but he could have vastly improved his situation if he had just done as he was politely asked to do by the police officer. 

The reason that I feel sorry for chauvin,  is that he never stood a chance at his trial . When you even have the president of the United States sticking the boot in , then you're done for . I read somewhere that the 40 year maximum term for his crime , was considered too low,  and the pressure was on to get it increased . Yes the man got it wrong , but to serve the rest of your life in prison for a mistake whilst under pressure , is just too much in my opinion. 

The whole story saddens me . Floyd was nothing short of an animal . I'm all for being given a second chance in life , but he had many chances , and wasted them all , and just inflicted misery on others (ask the pregnant woman that he held at gunpoint), his life was never going to end well , he was always going to die at the hand of a police officer,  drug dealer , or from an overdose . I feel no pity whatsoever for him , but I feel great pity for his children.  As has already been said , most of the compensation money will be given to lawyers and drug dealers , and if any of that money does filter down to his children , they'll have one hell of a job stopping the rest of floyds family from swindling it from them.  

Agree with this all 👍

[Westley]

Exceptionally well put Mel. At last the voice of reason  !