India

[henry d]

I have been aware of the high figures over the past few days but not had time to read up about how tragic it is becoming.

The beeb were reporting it from official figures and it looked bleak as one virologist was at pains to point out that the deaths now are people who contracted it 3-4 weeks ago. A Guardian report goes into it in some detail, and yes there is conjecture in the story from a doctor of how the numbers are underestimated and there could be 2-3 times as many deaths and five times as many infections! If that is true combined with the peak of deaths 3-4 weeks away this looks to be turning into a terrible tragedy and the knock on consequences for neighbouring countries is a great concern.

EDIT - World o meters says the deaths as a percentage of those people infected is 1%, I wonder how it will be over the next few weeks?

Edited April 25, 2021 by henry d
Addendum

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Yes very sad, lifting their version of lockdown for religious festivals seems to have backfired somewhat.

[mossy835]

when they all pile on to trains, and hold a festivals what do you expect.

[henry d]

Yes apparently local governments can lift or implement them at will, which is a problem

[Dave-G]

Leicester is still quite high in covid numbers - I'm maybe being presumptuous to suggest it's something to do with the reluctance of the asian community to socially distance, wear a mask or have the jab given the crowds of unmasked we see in their local parks, shops and restaurants, and yet they're apparently BAME - self induced in my mind. 

My neighbour has a fashion manufacturing company, has a Range Rover and Jag - worked all through both lockdowns with his staff and, when I asked how he was coping told me, smiling broadly, he'd got a £10K government loan and full order books.

[ditchman]

if they had spent a bit more money on there infrastructure rather than send rockets to the moon and mars  and the nuclear deterrnt and buying up british manufacting...they would be in a better situation...........also the cast system is not help-ing matters either........

Edited April 25, 2021 by ditchman

[henry d]

1 hour ago, Dave-G said:

I'm maybe being presumptuous...

You are, I'm in a predominantly white area of Tyneside and the same can be said, not many masks, people too close together.

[Dave-G]

15 minutes ago, henry d said:

You are, I'm in a predominantly white area of Tyneside and the same can be said, not many masks, people too close together.

I'm referring to during the lockdowns.

[oowee]

It's tragic and I cannot believe that we are not shipping supplies over, particularly oxygeon. I guess logistically it's unlikely to make much of an impact? 

[henry d]

55 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

I'm referring to during the lockdowns.

Really...

2 hours ago, Dave-G said:

...to suggest it's something to do with the reluctance of the asian community to socially distance, wear a mask or have the jab given the crowds of unmasked we see in their local parks, shops and restaurants...

... no you didn't.

27 minutes ago, oowee said:

It's tragic and I cannot believe that we are not shipping supplies over, particularly oxygeon. I guess logistically it's unlikely to make much of an impact? 

There was a clip of very large O2 tanks being loaded onto or off a transport plane, I didn't catch who was sending it

[ordnance]

I see it as a lesson of what can happen, for the anti mask, anti lockdown bigrade. 

[Old farrier]

Tragic as it may be 

1 death per million at the moment as opposed to the 18 per million the uk had at its peak 

It’s about how they use the statistics 

[oowee]

2 hours ago, Old farrier said:

Tragic as it may be 

1 death per million at the moment as opposed to the 18 per million the uk had at its peak 

It’s about how they use the statistics 

Not forgetting the lack of infrastructure to even record the data.

[henry d]

2 hours ago, Old farrier said:

...at the moment...

Which is what I said originally, deaths lag infection by up to four weeks, and the fact that rates are under reported

[Old farrier]

Just now, henry d said:

Which is what I said originally, deaths lag infection by up to four weeks, and the fact that rates are under reported

Could you please use my whole post and not edit it to suit your agenda please 

just highlight the bit you think is important in red would do 

It’s only a guesstimate as to what will happen in the future in India and to be fair there government has had over a year to prepare for this 

[udderlyoffroad]

6 hours ago, ordnance said:

I see it as a lesson of what can happen, for the anti mask, anti lockdown bigrade. 

I really wish life was a simple as you clearly perceive it to be...

Go on then, what could we possibly learn from India - keep in mind their laissez faire approach to basic infrastructure and public health - that somehow should inform our public health policy?

 

[henry d]

3 hours ago, Old farrier said:

Tragic as it may be 

1 death per million at the moment as opposed to the 18 per million the uk had at its peak 

It’s about how they use the statistics 

Which is what I said originally, deaths lag infection by up to four weeks, and the fact that rates are under reported.

I'll add to that, check out San Marino. One in nine of the population infected, 1 death per 659! 

But we are comparing apples and oranges again as San Marino is small and has an elderly population, India has a high density mixed population much like the UK and notwithstanding all of that the rate of infection is climbing at a huge rate.

4 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

Could you please use my whole post and not edit it to suit your agenda please

Happy? What is my agenda then?

[Old farrier]

7 minutes ago, henry d said:

Which is what I said originally, deaths lag infection by up to four weeks, and the fact that rates are under reported.

I'll add to that, check out San Marino. One in nine of the population infected, 1 death per 659! 

But we are comparing apples and oranges again as San Marino is small and has an elderly population, India has a high density mixed population much like the UK and notwithstanding all of that the rate of infection is climbing at a huge rate.

Happy? What is my agenda then?

No idea what you agenda is l am however always suspicious of anyone who quotes a very small proportion of a post 

do you work for a tabloid newspaper?

[henry d]

3 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

No idea what you agenda is l am however always suspicious of anyone who quotes a very small proportion of a post 

It's done for brevity and also ease when using my phone rather than the PC.

do you work for a tabloid newspaper?

No, retired and before that youth and community worker, firefighter and RN. I presume that you were a private investigator? 😉

[Old farrier]

3 minutes ago, henry d said:

No, retired and before that youth and community worker, firefighter and RN. I presume that you were a private investigator? 😉

Not a very good one though 😂😂😊😊

[Smokersmith]

It’s tragic that some folks will still not get the gravity of this situation due to a reluctance to accept mainstream media and widely accepted wisdom.

 

[243ack]

10 hours ago, ditchman said:

if they had spent a bit more money on there infrastructure rather than send rockets to the moon and mars  and the nuclear deterrnt and buying up british manufacting...they would be in a better situation...........also the cast system is not help-ing matters either........

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Mice!]

2 hours ago, henry d said:

But we are comparing apples and oranges again as San Marino is small and has an elderly population, India has a high density mixed population much like the UK and notwithstanding all of that the rate of infection is climbing at a huge rate.

You can't really compare India and the UK, if the population density is similar that's where the similarities end, not a chance will people there be receiving the level of care available to everyone in the UK, similar population to China 1.3 billion, but without there resources. 

[JohnfromUK]

15 hours ago, oowee said:

I guess logistically it's unlikely to make much of an impact? 

Firstly, any amount we could send is likely to be trivial in terms of what they need (apart from infection rates, their population is 20x ours), but also, I believe oxygen is difficult to handle. 

EDIT - I see wea are sending some 'oxygen concentrators' and other things https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9509955/UK-launches-plane-bound-India-loaded-needed-oxygen.html

You cannot put oxygen into any tanks/pipework that has been used for other purposes - it needs specific 'oxygen only' equipment that does not react chemically, and no trace of any inflammables oils etc.  Portable cylinders are incredibly heavy compared to the weight of the contents they carry due to the pressure - and I suspect therefore not practically transportable by air.  Even if we had a big excess supply, I suspect getting suitable transport means might prove impossible.

I would think some of these fires we hear about may be due to mishandling oxygen.

Edited April 26, 2021 by JohnfromUK

[Vince Green]

Nobody can know what the real figures are in places like India and Africa because no proper records are kept outside the main towns and cities