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1 hour ago, Blackpowder said:

Do you mean the odious Peter person, BBC radio 43 gave him a good airing this morning, another suit who stole the Labour Party from the working man.

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Hello, no i thought I saw John Prescott in the line up, or maybe he was there to cheer the Labour candidate loosing 🙄😁

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2 hours ago, Pushandpull said:

So people can not identify with Keir Starmer as he reached the top of his profession.

No. 

People cannot identify with Starmer because he's in total lockstep with the rest of the 'liberal' media agenda, hook, rod, line, sinker and copy of angling times.  Viz. taking the knee for BLM, immediately telling us that the Colston statue should be torn down. When his minders slipped up and an angry labour voter finally gets to speak to him, all he can say is "I don't have to take lectures from you".  Then immediately briefs the media saying he was a "Covid denier". 

But most egregious of all, his response to the pandemic has been so poor that he's earned the nickname "captain hindsight".  He's taken the old axiom of "never Interrupt your enemy whilst they're making a mistake" to its illogical conclusion by saying and doing nothing of substance.  His idea of holding the government to account (his raison d'etre) is "Why haven't you locked down faster and harder?"

How he can't see that this isn't a vote winner (outside of the M25) is beyond me.  I've only spent a few days for Hartlepool for work.  But I do know Starmer and his ilk would've gone down like a sack of spanners with my northern colleagues...

2 hours ago, Pushandpull said:

A quick google shows his background to be : skilled working class parents living in a semi, scholarship to Reigate Grammar, law degree at Leeds. Did a year at Oxford as a post-grad.

Evidently not a man of the people like Johnson !

The rest of your post appears to be mirred in some class-war stuff.  Nobody in 2021 particularly cares what type of school Johnson or Starmer went to, that's such a 1950s way of looking at things.

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7 minutes ago, ditchman said:

no "working man" is going to elect/support his party when the leader is 

  1. a queens councllor
  2. is a "Sir"

the working man wants a leader with a strong accent...yorkshire.....midlands....northern..........

Come back Dennis Skinner all will be forgiven.

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I think the greatest problem for Labour is that society has left them behind.The so called `working man` aspires to be something more now and wants the trinkets they associate with wealth .Everytime the McCluskeyites start to spout forth ,they alienate a greater part of society who want nothing of their Leftist tripe.All they are left with are those who do not want to work and idealists of the socialist state.

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Just now, Flashman said:

The Tories will become stale. 
Labour will reinvent itself. 

There’s nothing new :  it happened in 1945, 1974, 1979, 1997 & 2010. 

Bang on.

Were this the late 90s, we'd be having the same conversation about the Tories.

8 minutes ago, matone said:

The so called `working man` aspires to be something more now and wants the trinkets they associate with wealth

Indeed, this obsession with what constitutes 'working class' is such a backwards outlook.

An electrician who's completed his apprenticeship and is working full time, can expect to earn more than a graduate electrical engineer by the time they're both in their early 20s...But according to the narrative, one is working class, one isn't.  And the working class one is expected to vote a certain way because he's a....working man?  Right.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, matone said:

I think the greatest problem for Labour is that society has left them behind.The so called `working man` aspires to be something more now and wants the trinkets they associate with wealth .Everytime the McCluskeyites start to spout forth ,they alienate a greater part of society who want nothing of their Leftist tripe.All they are left with are those who do not want to work and idealists of the socialist state.

You have got it bang on there. They need to wake up and realise the times we are living in here are a couple of basics.

1. Their party song the red flag belongs to a time in the distant past. Scrap it move on people dont live in that era anymore.

2. They talk about EX mining communities turning away as if they have no right to do so. Here is the clue EX! ...they no longer are mining communities that's 40 years back, accept it and move on.

3. Talk about the working man but what do they offer him. Nothing but rub his face in it when he grafts his life away only to see people on benefits bringing in more than him.

37 minutes ago, Flashman said:

The Tories will become stale. 
Labour will reinvent itself. 

There’s nothing new :  it happened in 1945, 1974, 1979, 1997 & 2010. 

So true, the general pattern is you get about 75% Tory power, they mess up or get complacent. 25% labour power which gives the public time to realise they are basically incompetent ,then back to another long run in power for the torries

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1 hour ago, ditchman said:

no "working man" is going to elect/support his party when the leader is 

  1. a queens councllor
  2. is a "Sir"

the working man wants a leader with a strong accent...yorkshire.....midlands....northern..........

I don't think the bloke in charge worries people, but what has he done? Nothing,  most of Corbyn's loonies are still running the show, Starmer hasn't cleaned house he's just gone along with things whilst wagging his finger at Boris. 

45 minutes ago, matone said:

I think the greatest problem for Labour is that society has left them behind.The so called `working man` aspires to be something more now and wants the trinkets they associate with wealth .Everytime the McCluskeyites start to spout forth ,they alienate a greater part of society who want nothing of their Leftist tripe.All they are left with are those who do not want to work and idealists of the socialist state.

Great post and that's it isn't it, the idea Labour supports the working man is laughable in the extreme, anyone working must look at labour and think no chance.

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Starmer promised to clear Labour of anti-semitism. I don't recall any one person being thrown out. He is a patronising bore and incapable of inspiring anyone. He promises little and delivers less.

The real question is who will succeed him? Laugh all you want, but David Milliband or Tony Blair would be worth a punt. Laughable as that might seem, I don't see the real alternatives.

 

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4 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

Starmer promised to clear Labour of anti-semitism. I don't recall any one person being thrown out. He is a patronising bore and incapable of inspiring anyone. He promises little and delivers less.

The real question is who will succeed him? Laugh all you want, but David Milliband or Tony Blair would be worth a punt. Laughable as that might seem, I don't see the real alternatives.

 

I'm what most people would consider a traditional labour voter, and I really , really,  want to be able to vote labour , but the thought of voting for Tony Blair,  makes me grind my teeth . I'm still kicking myself for voting for him in the past.

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7 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

 

The real question is who will succeed him? Laugh all you want, but David Milliband or Tony Blair would be worth a punt. Laughable as that might seem, I don't see the real alternatives.

 

From what I have seen in the media today, forget those two or their ilk. The labour gobsters are on a suicide mission demanding extreme socialism and an even more massive shift to get to the left. The way labour  works, the left have the power and will get their way. Far better chance of Corbyn or his clone returning than those two you mentioned ,in my opinion.

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31 minutes ago, ditchman said:

was he the one they called ..."the beast of bolsover"..?

Yes. A rough lad. He had a few scrapes in Parliament. It was he who coined the phrase 'dodgy Dave' about David Cameron. He must have been ahead of the game.

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2 hours ago, ditchman said:

no "working man" is going to elect/support his party when the leader is 

  1. a queens councllor
  2. is a "Sir"

the working man wants a leader with a strong accent...yorkshire.....midlands....northern..........

You forget the "Donkey" jacket!:w00t:

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I have no time whatsoever for Peter Mandelson, but he called it right on the General Elections - lose, lose, lose, lose, Blair, Blair, Blair, lose, lose, lose, lose. He added that Labour chose the wrong brother and subsequently ended up with Corbyn.

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All the time people like Starmer manage to constantly grab defeat when they might just have a chance we will continue to be governed by Tories.:lol:

 

But as long as Starmer and his type continue to run the party that once was the working mans party we are relatively secure.:D

 

Once the economic recovery really kicks in, Labour will have even less of a chance!:cool1:

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Just how has Labour sunk so low? A party dominated by hard lefties, who have zero chance of ever gaining office. I can't fully grasp how this deluded bunch think a move to the hard left will convince voters. I hear what they say, but think they should be sectioned.

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1 hour ago, JDog said:

Yes. A rough lad. He had a few scrapes in Parliament. It was he who coined the phrase 'dodgy Dave' about David Cameron. He must have been ahead of the game.

aaahhh yes im with you now ...he was the one that used to mutter some sort of obsene comment on the state opening of parliament every year

as said he was awfully rough

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Just saying to Mrs D, all i have seen of the opposition was the mud flinging about how Boris SHOULD have managed the Covid pandemic, they all could have done a better job !!! yet as we all know were surprisingly, NOT sitting in Boris' seat. 

Starmer could have vastly improved his popularity by offering help and not chucking insults and "should have done's" to Boris, instead siting down and having the conversation on "How can we help our country get out of the mess" 

They all woffle on about what they can do to make OUR country better, yet from an outsider looking in seems like childhood squabbling on the playground. 

 

 

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